Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

AF-100 Hype and Scarlet Wait...

Jarek Zabczynski

Jarek Zabczynski

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 3, 2007
Messages
2,410
Reaction score
4
Points
38
Location
Los Angeles
Website
www.jarek.com
All the AF-100 talk is really hyping me up for my next camera. I like a lot of what the AF-100 is offering but no P2 and no AVC-Intra still hurts a bit. Also, the SDI only outputs 8bit and if I want VFR I'm stuck with 4:2:0 AVCCAM. Those aside, the camera still excites me.

Ideally, I want the Scarlet S35, but there's so little info on it right now. Epic news is trickling out a bit, where's some good ol' Scarlet news? I know Fixed might ship by the end of the year, what are the realistic outlooks for the S35? I'm considering going with the AF-100 if the S35 is say a year away. I'd be able to invest in some good glass that can always be used on Scarlet once that comes out. I guess I'm looking at AF-100 as a temporary solution. Anyone else with me? The AF-100 might make a nice B cam to the S35 no?
 
I agree!

I agree!

That is a great idea.

I am loving the AF100 too.

I know the Scarlet will be a better camera but I can not wait forever until it comes out.

Of course, if RED shared a nice detailed update, that help!

:)

Simon
 
I'm in the same boat...

I don't have a serious shoot until June 1011 (that we have been planning since June 2009)... but starting to feel it will be very unlikely we will shoot on Scarlet. My worry is that even if RED launch any Scarlet before then, if there is a huge queue... it will be a gamble to get it on time.

The AF-100 + SDI recorder will be our next choice... maybe there will be other options by then too.

The option to rent is out as we will be in very remote places.
 
The AF-100 must be one of the ugliest cameras ever envisioned. This is coming form the owner of a HVX200. Rather than redesigning a camera Panasonic have cannibalized the HVX and other models. This says a lot about their emphasis on protecting their market share. Rather than innovating they compromise. I loved the HVX but Panasonic continue to offer just enough in each model they produce.
Red are miles ahead in terms of Resolution and features, the only advantage the AF-100 has over the Scarlet is the micro 4/3 Sensor and the images from this have yet to be seen, also they will be only 1080p with a 24mb codec.
 
tillHavis said:
The AF-100 must be one of the ugliest cameras ever envisioned. This is coming form the owner of a HVX200. Rather than redesigning a camera Panasonic have cannibalized the HVX and other models. This says a lot about their emphasis on protecting their market share. Rather than innovating they compromise. I loved the HVX but Panasonic continue to offer just enough in each model they produce.
Red are miles ahead in terms of Resolution and features, the only advantage the AF-100 has over the Scarlet is the micro 4/3 Sensor and the images from this have yet to be seen, also they will be only 1080p with a 24mb codec.
Click to expand...

I may look awful but it's nice and light. And cheap. I like that compromise.

I would personally buy a lighter plastic-shelled Scarlet instead of the heavy metal "cool" one we have now.

I don't need the damn thing to last 100 years - everything we have will be totally out of date in 5.

I don't have an ego that needs to be stoked by buying gear that makes me look like a "cool filmmaker". The camera shouldn't look like it is compensating for something.

My favorite cam was always the HD-100U - nice functional blend of form and function. Of course DSLRs are even better - part of the joy of them is that their cheap look helps you negotiate for discounts on locations and look inconspicuous :)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
I'm sure a 10bit P2 AVC-Intra version is in the works, but that will probably come at double the pricetag.
Click to expand...

Jan, the Panny rep, said if you want AVC-Intra with the AF100, buy their P2 recorder to go with it for $4k. That is about what it would cost to build it in.
 
tillHavis said:
Red are miles ahead in terms of Resolution and features, the only advantage the AF-100 has over the Scarlet is the micro 4/3 Sensor and the images from this have yet to be seen, also they will be only 1080p with a 24mb codec.
Click to expand...

I agree but at the end of the day I can BUY the AF100 in December.

Can you say that about the Scarlet???????

I wish I could answer that with a yes.

:(

Simon
 
tillHavis said:
Red are miles ahead in terms of Resolution and features, the only advantage the AF-100 has over the Scarlet is the micro 4/3 Sensor and the images from this have yet to be seen, also they will be only 1080p with a 24mb codec.
Click to expand...

Let's not forget price.... a RED Bomb EVF costs $2000 less then an AF100 with everything you need to shoot except lens and SD card.

I think we are all here rooting for RED, but let's not get carried away... the great features come with a high (ish) price.

If you have $10k or below to spend, then pick and choose what is important to you. You WILL have to comprimise.

Availblity, HD EVF, HD LCD, XLR, HD-SDI, 4/3" sensor, interchangeable lens.. etc, etc might be worth the sacrifice of 3K, 120fps, RAW.. etc, etc.
 
Jim Retar said:
Let's not forget price.... a RED Bomb EVF costs $2000 less then an AF100 with everything you need to shoot except lens and SD card.

I think we are all here rooting for RED, but let's not get carried away... the great features come with a high (ish) price.

If you have $10k or below to spend, then pick and choose what is important to you. You WILL have to comprimise.

Availblity, HD EVF, HD LCD, XLR, HD-SDI, 4/3" sensor, interchangeable lens.. etc, etc might be worth the sacrifice of 3K, 120fps, RAW.. etc, etc.
Click to expand...

For many a video camera will be a better choice.
The jump to digital cinema carries significant cost deltas in every respect: camera costs, media costs, software and computers powerful enough for efficient post, data storage capacities and speed requirements, significant learning curve compared to video.
No I don't want some cheapened plastic body flyweight wondercam. I want a truly rugged professional class camera that can take a hike up a mountain in any weather with reasonable precautions and still work flawlessly at the top every time. A camera to replace my old Bolex that doesn't have to be coddled to the extent my Canon does to have half a chance of producing footage. That Red will offer something like this anywhere near a $10k price point is a revelation.
 
David Rasberry said:
Jan, the Panny rep, said if you want AVC-Intra with the AF100, buy their P2 recorder to go with it for $4k. That is about what it would cost to build it in.
Click to expand...
Except that the HD-SDI and HDMI are only 8-bit. Seems kind of short-sighted.
 
Well, for those who really want the 10-bit version, I'm sure panasonic will oblige in some time. It's not like they never branched out from the original DVX or HVX. They'd have to be deaf dumb and blind not to expand the AF series in similar fashion for those with more money and more demands.
 
Lawrence Bansbach said:
Except that the HD-SDI and HDMI are only 8-bit. Seems kind of short-sighted.
Click to expand...

More like economical. Keep it to a price point. Use readily available existing technology and repackage it with some tweaks to fit a market point.
Typical large company market strategy, smart for them.
 
David Rasberry said:
More like economical. Keep it to a price point. Use readily available existing technology and repackage it with some tweaks to fit a market point.
Typical large company market strategy, smart for them.
Click to expand...
Sure, except that it's a little disingenuous of them to suggest that you can have the benefits of P2 and AVC-Intra just by plugging the AF100 into the HPG20. A relatively big one -- 10-bit color depth -- is still missing. How much would 10-bit HD-SDI/HDMI really have added to the price?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top