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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Adobe Workflow for (former) FCP users

I'm more a DP than an editor but I still need to edit. I am hopeful that FCX will come good a few months down the line but I am about to dip my toes into the Adobe waters and at least trial a version an evaluate it with the intention of running parallel systems on a mac Pro. The reason I've not looked at Adobe before is that I was scared off by the rumours that it was so unstable on a Mac. Can anyone confirm or deny this ?
 
Hi Jon

I think it always depends on what kinda computer set up you have. My old Mac Pro from 2008 with Quadro FX 4000 card works still nice and very very stable.
Others have problems with new Macs and RR cards in it. So there you go. No system is the same. I'll buy the latest gratest in august and hope it stays as stable as before.
So no problems here so far.

Tim
 
Hey Todd, when ever you have a chance, seeing you are on vacation and all, do you think you could give some insight to Editing R3D clips in PPro and then sending them to RCX for color grading and then sending them back into PPro?

Im not sure if that's how you have to exactly do it.

Ive been editing and color grading in FCP and Color for 4 years and I went out on a limb and bought Production Premium Student Edition in February because Adobe just seemed more reliable and ahead of the times. So, now im kind of in the dark on everything Adobe.
 
Michael Millichamp said:
Hey Todd, when ever you have a chance, seeing you are on vacation and all, do you think you could give some insight to Editing R3D clips in PPro and then sending them to RCX for color grading and then sending them back into PPro?

Im not sure if that's how you have to exactly do it.

Ive been editing and color grading in FCP and Color for 4 years and I went out on a limb and bought Production Premium Student Edition in February because Adobe just seemed more reliable and ahead of the times. So, now im kind of in the dark on everything Adobe.
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you don't need to send out of PP to RCX. Red's clever implementation of the RMD file created from any grade in RCX shows up in PP. Very easy and straight forward.
 
Mark Toia said:
Hey Todd,
Not for a million years did I ever think id go to Premier, due to bad experiences with it many years ago..

But... I think I will now.

After effects is a killer program, so why wouldn't premier be.
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Mark, welcome to the CS5.5 Experience. You know I respect your work, so let me tell you what you've been missing.
First off I notice you like to use FCP's built in three way color corrector to test your grades, and you love to spend a lifetime transcoding to prores.
I also noticed that you believe in speedy setups and playback ETC.
I also read that you have been having a problem with the lack of playback of EPiC-M material on-set.
I feel your pain.
Well Welcome to Adobe CS5.5, all your problems are gone with a simple mac book pro i5.

1. on a mac system with a recomemded GPU, the color correction tools in PPro are far far superior to those in FCP7. They dont have the feature set as Apple Color but are pretty powerful. And they work in Real real time. you have the 32 bit float, Fast color corrector, the 32 bit float RGB and Luma curves, the 32 bit float RGB corrector and the more precise 32bit float Three way color corrector you are used to. you also have 32 bit float proc amps, gaussian blur filters, video limiters, and luma correctors. You wont find any of that in Avid MC or FCP7.

2. Scaling, the GPU scaling parameters are in realtime and are far superior to FCP, so with your 5k images you can compose several shots that will appear sharp in PP.
3. We all have those shots where we cross the 180 line and have to cheat the angle a little bit. Well unlike FCP7's horizontal flip is 32bit float, your image is not softened b4 the render,
4. as the plugin architecture continuous to improve third party plugins like Sapphire, Redgiant, Continuum, Twixtor etc are running faster.
5. Any 64bit vst audio plugin, like my favorites Izotope RX and Nectar for noise reduction and Compression respectively work in real time.
6. XML, EDL in and out to Smoke. Although PP is a real conform tool, becuase you can actually version out of it to virtually and platform on the planet, Smoke is the tool for All things timelined effects. **** without any PP efx or Subclips
7. XML, EDL in and out to Resolve, very straight forward simple **** without any PP efx or Subclips
8. XML in and out to Apple color, **** without any PP efx or Subclips. You already have Apple color for free, use it.
9. Preview your EPIc-M footage right out of your base station, immediately with PP
10, XML out to Scratch 6 when its released
11. Xml in or out to Storm
12. You can reset the keyboard shortcuts to work just like they would in Avid or FCP.
13. Your last shoot, Red-MX, Alexa, 5D, etc can be used natively without a hicup on the Same timeline, in real realtime.

Notice I have not said anything about AE, Photoshop, Audition, Encore, Illustrator, Media Encoder, script, Onlocation, etc etc etc etc.

Once again I welcome you to Adobe PP CS5.5, the new command center for your Red workflow. I don't work for Adobe. I have never even met anyone from Adobe. I don't read reviews or listen to Rumors I just know what I need and I go for it.
 
I have a few basic questions.
I recently purchased a new Sony VAIO laptop with the following specs.

Intel i7-2820QM (2.3ghz) Sandybridge.
8gig DDR3 1333mhz ram
500gig 7200rpm HD
NVidia GT540M graphics with 1gig dedicated
2 USB3 ports (1 USB2)
1080p LED backlit screen with HDMI output.

Is this system enough to run Adobe CS5.5 apps for 1080p oriented field work? (Premier, AE, Photoshop).
 
Mark Toia said:
Hey Todd,
Not for a million years did I ever think id go to Premier, due to bad experiences with it many years ago..

But... I think I will now.

After effects is a killer program, so why wouldn't premier be.
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Many years ago it was a very different (not in a good way) program. It is all grown up now, and the ugly duclking has a whole new set of pretty feathers.
 
Todd Kopriva said:
Here's a very simple video that I made that shows loading RMD color settings as shashbugu refers to:
http://www.video2brain.com/en/videos-3763.htm
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This video seems specific for CS5.5 but, I have the student edition of CS5 meaning I can't upgrade. I would have to completely buy PPro CS5.5.

Is there an update for CS5 that makes the Red color correction possible?
 
Michael Millichamp said:
This video seems specific for CS5.5 but, I have the student edition of CS5 meaning I can't upgrade. I would have to completely buy PPro CS5.5.

Is there an update for CS5 that makes the Red color correction possible?
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No for RMD, REDcolor2, Epic. Yes for all else. Overall C5.5 is faster and a hell of a lot more stable
 
Joe Carney said:
I have a few basic questions.
I recently purchased a new Sony VAIO laptop with the following specs.

Intel i7-2820QM (2.3ghz) Sandybridge.
8gig DDR3 1333mhz ram
500gig 7200rpm HD
NVidia GT540M graphics with 1gig dedicated
2 USB3 ports (1 USB2)
1080p LED backlit screen with HDMI output.

Is this system enough to run Adobe CS5.5 apps for 1080p oriented field work? (Premier, AE, Photoshop).
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honestly you will have to download the trial version to see if it works for you.
 
shashbugu said:
honestly you will have to download the trial version to see if it works for you.
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I'm going to buy it. The question is 1 copy or 2. I"m really only worried if 8gigs is enough for day to day editing out in the field.
 
shashbugu said:
No for RMD, REDcolor2, Epic. Yes for all else. Overall C5.5 is faster and a hell of a lot more stable
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Ill probably download the trial version and fall in love and then eventually buy CS5.5 later. :-\ Oh how I love spending money.
 
Joe Carney said:
I have a few basic questions.
I recently purchased a new Sony VAIO laptop with the following specs.

Intel i7-2820QM (2.3ghz) Sandybridge.
8gig DDR3 1333mhz ram
500gig 7200rpm HD
NVidia GT540M graphics with 1gig dedicated
2 USB3 ports (1 USB2)
1080p LED backlit screen with HDMI output.

Is this system enough to run Adobe CS5.5 apps for 1080p oriented field work? (Premier, AE, Photoshop).
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I believe it will be more than enough your system for 1080p. The new sandy bridges are really powerful. You may just need to do the "hack" to allow your video card to be supported with the Mercury Playback Engine Hardware Acceleration.
Like said above, download the trial version, and do the 'hack' and see if it's fast enough for your needs. I believe it will be.

Hope this helps
 
Fabricio Morato said:
I believe it will be more than enough your system for 1080p. The new sandy bridges are really powerful. You may just need to do the "hack" to allow your video card to be supported with the Mercury Playback Engine Hardware Acceleration.
Like said above, download the trial version, and do the 'hack' and see if it's fast enough for your needs. I believe it will be.

Hope this helps
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Thanks for the feedback. Based on a video over at adobe tv I just saw, 8gig is minimum if running both Premier Pro and AE at the same time. I also saw a video demoing Premier Pro on a laptop that seemed to run fine.
 
Michael Millichamp said:
This video seems specific for CS5.5 but, I have the student edition of CS5 meaning I can't upgrade. I would have to completely buy PPro CS5.5.

Is there an update for CS5 that makes the Red color correction possible?
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Adobe does offer an upgrade from CS5 student to CS5.5, as all their student versions are upgradeable. From their FAQ page:

Can I upgrade from a validly licensed education version of a CS2, CS3, CS4, or CS5 product to a noneducation version of a CS5.5 product?

Yes, you may purchase upgrades for education versions provided you meet the upgrade eligibility requirements. For requirements, pricing, or to place your single-user license order, visit the Adobe.com Store in your region. For additional sales information about education versions of Adobe products, see the service note.​
 
Kyle Wright said:
Adobe does offer an upgrade from CS5 student to CS5.5, as all their student versions are upgradeable. From their FAQ page:

Can I upgrade from a validly licensed education version of a CS2, CS3, CS4, or CS5 product to a noneducation version of a CS5.5 product?

Yes, you may purchase upgrades for education versions provided you meet the upgrade eligibility requirements. For requirements, pricing, or to place your single-user license order, visit the Adobe.com Store in your region. For additional sales information about education versions of Adobe products, see the service note.​
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Wow. When I bought CS5 it gave me a pretty strong earning that an upgrade was not possible. Ill check into it.
 
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