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As many FCP users are looking elsewhere for their post production future, I was wondering if there can be some helpful links posted to get FCP users started on Premiere.

I know the search button is there, but that can yield massive, results and many of us would not know where to start.

If some of the vets here could post a handful of links to helpful forum threads, i think the former FCP users will really appreciate it so we can ease ourselves into new software.

Maybe something along the lines of :

Start here for basics, how R3D works in Premier, best way to setup projects : Link

Intermediate, tricks and tips for the actual editing process : Link

Advanced, How we export files, relink to 4k, finishing etc: Link

Is there a 'white paper' for Premiere ?

Sincerely,

Thousands of Editors disappointed with Apple


Thank you.
 
Art_Jaguar said:
As many FCP users are looking elsewhere for their post production future, I was wondering if there can be some helpful links posted to get FCP users started on Premiere.

I know the search button is there, but that can yield massive, results and many of us would not know where to start.

If some of the vets here could post a handful of links to helpful forum threads, i think the former FCP users will really appreciate it so we can ease ourselves into new software.

Maybe something along the lines of :

Start here for basics : Link

Intermediate : Link

Advanced: Link

Is there a 'white paper' for Premiere ?

Sincerely,

Thousands of Editors disappointed with Apple


Thank you.
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Art, your best best is to go and start watching Adobe TV. There are lots of tutorials, including how to get FCP projects over to Premiere.
http://tv.adobe.com/

Also, Lynda.com has some great stuff too.

You're going to find there are a lot of similarities between FCP and PP. But Adobe has added a lot of support for things like native RED workflow. There are still a couple of shortcomings, but for the most part, with Mercury Engine and support of RR, they have done some really nice stuff.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
There are still a couple of shortcomings
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What are a couple of the short comings? Would just be interested in the heads up before discovering the hard way.

(BTW I'm not saying switching over to PP and frankly I think FCPX looks incredible, but as I do use AE a lot and RED a lot I thought I might try it out for something.)
 
Mark Allen said:
What are a couple of the short comings? Would just be interested in the heads up before discovering the hard way.

(BTW I'm not saying switching over to PP and frankly I think FCPX looks incredible, but as I do use AE a lot and RED a lot I thought I might try it out for something.)
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To be honest Steve is right. If you are used to starting a project in FCP7 and ending there due to its basic compositing architecture and myriad of plugins available including apple Color, Premiere pro is not there yet. But for all those things there is After effects. But when it comes to pure raw editing PPro CS5.5 is more advanced and more feature rich than FCP7. The problem is you have to dive into PPro head first to dig into its very very deep feature base. Adobe unfortunately does not have that many pro editors putting out tuts for PPro like it has for AE. You are left with knowledgeable evangelists and Application trainers who as great as they are not faced with the myriad of creative decisions most of us are faced with. .
 
Thank you for the responses gentlemen, this will help myself and others make the transition.

If anyone has more ideas or hints, please post for others to see. I look forward to reading all of the links posted so far.

Adobe Team should send a Thank You card to FCP team for getting so many people interested in PP.
 
Hi,

I've testing Premiere CS5.5 with Epic HDRx footage, that you can find here on this forum, and played the R3D realtime (debayer detail set to HIGH) really smooth without a RedRocket card and with a few effects that are accelerated by GPU without rendering.

This is what I've done:

- Create a 2k Sequence with the same ratio that your 5k footage (16/9, 2.1 etc)
- Put your 5k HDRx files in the timeline and select all and then hit "Scale to Framesize" (now all your 5k footage will be scaled to 2k; do this for every new r3d you drop in the timeline)
- Do your editing, CC, Effects, Transitions, Compositions (note: if you make AE linking it will be in 2k, you can then in AE go into Composition Settings and change the frame size to your desired size - 5k - do you compositing, Color Correction, and in Premiere Pro you will need to select the clip and "Scale to Frame Size" again so it would fit in the 2k timeline)
- Now Create a 5k Sequence with the same ratio that your 2k
- Select all your 2k timeline and hit Copy, now go to your 5k timeline and hit paste (if the files are smaller than your sequence you just need to "scale to framesize")
- Now you have your edit in 5k HDRx ready to export.

Benefits:
- No transcode
- R3D the whole time (so if you change something on RCX you just hit "reload from RMD") with the latest color science
- Realtime playback with multiples effects on the clips and with no rendering (the ones that uses GPU)
- 5k with HDRx ready timeline really simple

Now I would definitely recommend a RedRocket for serious performance boost.


My system:

Win7 64bit, Intel i7 2600k @4.2ghz, 16GB ram 1600mhz, Nvidia GeForce GTX 570.
Premiere Pro CS5.5

Hope this can somewhat help you.
 
Yes to this thread. Shashbugu you are right on the money. Terrific editing app that needs depth in colour grading and audio departments. Now that Apple has thrown the excellent Color in the bin, couldn't Adobe buy it from Apple and integrate it into Premiere Pro? Imagine Ppro with awesome inbuilt colour grading capabilities.
 
I have no doubt in my mind that Adobe will create an mazing dedicated color App, Lightroom style. Anything less than Lightroom quality will receive the level of backlash that FCPX is receiving.
 
Is there a relatively easy round trip from PPro to Resolve? (And if so, perhaps a link to a tutorial?)
 
Erich Ocean said:
Is there a relatively easy round trip from PPro to Resolve? (And if so, perhaps a link to a tutorial?)
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Hi,

I haven't used Resolve, but I just looked at the Manual (page 111) that there's EDL and AAF import. Premiere Pro can easily export EDL and AAF. Just select your timeline, click File -> Export -> EDL or AAF.

And I found this online (it's an Official Response from Black Magic):

You can use XML to send your Edit and native files into DaVinci Resolve,
Grade in real-time with our tracker,windows, secondary's etc.. Then Render
your clips and Export an XML that you can re import into Premier Pro.

It's nice and easy!

I hope this helps.
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So following this, you can do the same File -> Export -> then XML.

Then on Da Vinci export XML and import back to Premiere if you want to finish there and/or send to After Effects to finish.

Hope this helps.
 
Mark Allen said:
What are a couple of the short comings? Would just be interested in the heads up before discovering the hard way.

(BTW I'm not saying switching over to PP and frankly I think FCPX looks incredible, but as I do use AE a lot and RED a lot I thought I might try it out for something.)
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At this moment (and it could change at some point) there are some limitations for Mac users who need to have their native RED sequences go out through HD-SDI. Adobe is working on it. Also, as mentioned there is no dedicated color correction app, but having said that they have some very good tools inside PP and of course there is After Effects. And you could go to Resolve or other such CC systems.

There's a lot of positives though to focus on, and Adobe has shown they are committed to making this a robust app that can suit many workflows, work with many cameras natively. They were the first ones out of the gate with 64-bit support and have been very good about implementing RED.
 
This is not the Premiere you've seen before CS5. I abandoned Premiere years ago, because it was a true PITA. But a while after we got our Red One, a close look at CS5 brought me back.
 
Totally. Premiere Pro has really surprised me. I was up and editing in about ten minutes flat. I am glad that I do not have to waste any further energy on the whole FCP thing.
 
Hey guys! I have a question, if anyone wants to take a whack at it.

I have recently decided to abandon FCP having bought Production Premium. I love everything it has to offer. I have not yet used PPro yet but this coming semester (Senior in college) im going to be doing more short films and decided I would rather work with Adobe and get to know it, considering i think it will definitely be the future, but Ive been using FCP for about 4 years now and im in love with Apple Color. I love how simple it is to send a project to Color and then export it back to FCP. So all of that being said, here is my question.

Say if im shooting with a Red, I send my clips into Premiere Pro, I edit everything together, and then I want to do CC in RCX instead of Premiere (not too fond of the CC it has to offer, but im sure something will come out soon equivalent to Lightroom for video CC) how do you send your edit over to RCX then have RCX send it back to Premiere?

Sorry if it seems amatuerish, but I have never worked with RCX or Premiere in great detail. I stuck it out with FCP and Color, so in making the switch, im trying to learn as much as possible before I get an Epic-S.

Thanks guys!
 
In my opinion the best addition to Pr 5.5 and Ae 5.5 is that they added a histogram to the debayer settings frame. I suggested this a while back and the developers hinted that it was already in the works. The beauty of this is that you can use it to set your baseline CC then use Colorista II in Pr & Ae or simply do a TIF or DPX export to your app of choice (daVinci?) and finish your CC there. Bring it back into Pr to align it with your audio and you're ready for your various exports.

As a top tip I'd point out that if you have Ae open and you do a create Dynamic Link in Pr it does so in the open Ae file. This is great if you want to separate your film into sections, but be warned: do not have a trailing number on any of your file names (Reel1, Reel.1, etc) as Adobe uses numbers for autosave purposes and it will completely hash up Dynamic Links. Use letters instead: ReelA or Reel.A will keep Dynamic Links working properly.

Bob
 
Mark Toia said:
Hey Todd,
Not for a million years did I ever think id go to Premier, due to bad experiences with it many years ago..

But... I think I will now.

After effects is a killer program, so why wouldn't premier be.
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Hi Mark

I've been all FCP for many many years. Checked out PP 6 month ago and never went back. We always talk about Prores this and Prores that but the real deal is R3D. R3D editing right out the gate. Hiper Link to AF and back. Now think about the new Mac Towers that are coming out around august. Load them with some 30 GB of Ram, some SSD drives for the software and some killer Cuda Cards. This shit will eat R3D files for breakfast.

That's exactly why Jim doesn't gives a damn about Prores because he know's that real time R3D editing will soon be as normal as DV was in the past. It works already on PP and I love it.
My Davinci Resolve kit also likes it because it works with the same graphic cards. What was FCP again?

All you need is a tuned up Mac Pro and there is no looking back.

Have fun...

Tim
 
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