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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Adobe support...

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Martin Weiss said:
(Red is revolutionary in oh so many ways: Here I am, hardcore Mac fanboy who had Final Cut since 1.25, actually contemplating switching after 10 years of pure Mac to a Adobe/PC setup... Times are a-chaning...)[/I]
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I don't know if there's any reason to switch to a PC. Macs are very price-competitive on the high end, and Intel Macs (that is, any new Mac) will run the new Premiere just fine. No need to learn a new OS or use the virus-prone XP or the much hated Vista.

It is a bit of a shock since I remember when Premiere was about the worst editing program in the world. I thought it would never catch up, but I guess with enough hard work on the part of the developers, it can. They did have to completely rewrite it to make it competitive with FCP, so Premiere Pro users have FCP to thank for for really ratcheting up the competitive pressure on an app that really needed it.

I think the FCP team lost interest and preferred working on things like Motion instead of updating the core package, and perhaps this is now biting them.

Apple has about six months or so to come up with something for me since when I buy Scarlet whenever it comes out next year, I'll need a well-integrated system.

Still a Mac, perhaps not FCP. I shed a tear since I have really loved FCP, but from the screen shots on this thread, it looks like the Premiere guys have all but cloned it, with a very similar look and feel. That makes it credible to me that the learning curve won't be bad.

Anyone have an understanding of Adobe's upgrade policies? I have a lot of Adobe software but all but Photoshop is pre-CS. So even though I own a large percentage of the software in the early suites, I think I have to pay full retail to get any of the CS3 bundles, even though I have Photoshop, Illustrator and After Effects Production Bundle. That really bites the wallet and makes it a lot harder for me to switch from FCP Studio where the upgrade's reasonably priced.

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David Dennis said:
Anyone have an understanding of Adobe's upgrade policies? I have a lot of Adobe software but all but Photoshop is pre-CS. So even though I own a large percentage of the software in the early suites, I think I have to pay full retail to get any of the CS3 bundles, even though I have Photoshop, Illustrator and After Effects Production Bundle. That really bites the wallet and makes it a lot harder for me to switch from FCP Studio where the upgrade's reasonably priced.

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I upgraded to PP CS3 from my old 6.5 version I got with my old Matrox editing system a few years back. The upgrade was about 299.00. The upgrade includes Encore and On Location as well.

Also, make sure after purchasing, you install all the updates which include native P2 as well as XD-Cam support. To get the updates if it does not go there automatically, you simply click on help and select update and it will log on and download all the updates.

If native Red support operates anywhere near what P2 native does, It will be wonderful.
 
I don't see why dynamic link wouldn't be compatible with the red importer.


Munthe said:
Even though this looks awesome one important thing springs to mind; If .r3d will be imported through two separate plugins - PPro and AE - will that kind of import process result in non use of Adobes Dynamic Link features?
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I would guess that dynamic linking between PP and AE will work since they will be utilizing files of the same format, that they will support via RED's plug-in. But that's just a wild-ass guess on my part.

Color temp correction is probably just one of those features that hasn't made it in yet... First release, beta software and all that...
 
kinobairn said:
No one ever said that. Why would Red spend all this time programming with the Adobe SDK to let people use native R3D files and not put in color temperature correction? Heck, they even included the option of sharpening.
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Color correction in inherent in the Premier application for whatever format.
 
sleepwalker said:
I don't see why dynamic link wouldn't be compatible with the red importer.
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I believe Dynamic link only works with the full Adobe Suite package. If you have purchased Premier Pro and After Effects as separate programs, dynamic link does not apply. You cannot pull an AFX project into Premier or vise versa unless you have the full suite package with dynamic link.
 
Pat Cooksey said:
I believe Dynamic link only works with the full Adobe Suite package. If you have purchased Premier Pro and After Effects as separate programs, dynamic link does not apply. You cannot pull an AFX project into Premier or vise versa unless you have the full suite package with dynamic link.
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To the best of my knowledge.....

Dynamic Link joins programs so updating something in one carries through to the others.

For example, let's say you make a title card in Photoshop. You import that .psd into Encore as a background for a Blu-Ray disc. As you build the Blu-Ray, you realize the placement of a logo is off. You can go back into Photoshop, move the graphic, save it, and it will automatically be updated in Encore.

However, you *can* Import a PPRO project into After Effects when you are done editing....then apply color correction, titles, etc....

It just won't automatically update the PPRO timeline with your AE changes. But if you are finished editing, you won't need to do this anyway.

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bhtdmc said:
To the best of my knowledge.....

Dynamic Link joins programs so updating something in one carries through to the others.

For example, let's say you make a title card in Photoshop. You import that .psd into Encore as a background for a Blu-Ray disc. As you build the Blu-Ray, you realize the placement of a logo is off. You can go back into Photoshop, move the graphic, save it, and it will automatically be updated in Encore.

However, you *can* Import a PPRO project into After Effects when you are done editing....then apply color correction, titles, etc....

It just won't automatically update the PPRO timeline with your AE changes. But if you are finished editing, you won't need to do this anyway.

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This is true only if you have the entire Adobe Suite and have not purchased the program's separately. Dynamic link only operates within the suite.
 
Pat Cooksey said:
This is true only if you have the entire Adobe Suite and have not purchased the program's separately. Dynamic link only operates within the suite.
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Yes, I agree that Dynamic Link only works within the suite.

However, I thought you could still do a straight import even if you acquired the programs separately. This nested project would NOT have Dynamic Link capabilities, but you could still work on it.

I may be incorrect on this.

However, even back in the days of Premier 4.2 (before "Dynamic Link") I could still open a Premiere project in After Effects.

(But you couldn't go back the other way. You would have needed to make sure picture was "locked" before you brought it into AE.)

Either way, the Adobe suites are well worth the money. I've used Premiere since version 1.1, essentially learned how to edit on 4.2, and always regarded it as the most intuitive editing program of the bunch.

PPRO CS3 is really quite a good program, and I find it superior to Final Cut.

I have the Production Premium suite, which includes:

Premiere Pro - video editing
After Effects - (includes Color Finesse) color correction, titles, motion graphic design
Encore - DVD and Blu-Ray authoring
Soundbooth - basic audio cleanup and soundtrack creation
Photoshop extended - photos, graphics, new video tools
Illustrator - drawing, graphics
Flash - interactive web animations

Also:
On Location - monitor and capture live footage to a laptop on set
Ultra - greenscreen keying

It's pretty awesome.
 
Gregory Leno said:
Will On Location work with RED?
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i was wondering that too.

I'm sure it won't work with this week's software,

but I hope it does someday. It is a cool program.

Right now, I think it's geared to DV and HDV over firewire (maybe it can do more), so I guess one major issue is getting the output of the camera into the laptop.

Maybe a proxy, via HDMI, could capture HD quality footage, just for editing. Then later you can link to the 4k RAW on export (or on import into After Effects for a true grade).

I was also wondering about using RED footage in Encore. Can we just drop R3D files onto a timeline, and have the software do a conversion for a Blu-Ray disc? Or will Encore eventually be able to burn 4k RED RAY discs?
 
Anyone know if there is a disadvantage in purchasing the student license of Adobe Creative Suite? I think with student licenses, you can't upgrade to newer versions, ie CS4
 
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