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What's the Best Choice for a Basic HMI Kit?

Bruce Allen said:
Yep. Any real competitors to them that are as sturdy and compact? I'm looking at buying them for use with my HV20 - rented them twice and liked them. So far LEDs aren't quite there yet, right?

Bruce Allen
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That is actually what I am waiting for....a great LED set-up that I can afford...still looking!
 
right now - the DIVAs are the best thing I have used....I like how everything is built in - reduces on set clutter for me and cuts down on time needed for repositioning. I shot a whole cooking show with one of these as my soft key....loved it!
 
Bruce Allen said:
Yep, checked those out. Looking for some professional opinions on their sturdiness... although you could always just buy a second one as a backup ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Backup indeed ;-) We've been working very hard here on HMIs and some other great stuff. Many of these solutions will cost half (or even less than half in some cases) of what current ones are thanks to my determination on the subject.

The build quality is excellent, just like the current stuff we offer as many, many DVXuser customers will tell you.

Special pre-order offers are coming up soon.


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coollights said:
Backup indeed ;-) We've been working very hard here on HMIs and some other great stuff. Many of these solutions will cost half (or even less than half in some cases) of what current ones are thanks to my determination on the subject.

The build quality is excellent, just like the current stuff we offer as many, many DVXuser customers will tell you.

Special pre-order offers are coming up soon.
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Any chance of getting those in a black finish?
 
Alexander Nikishin said:
Any chance of getting those in a black finish?
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Very hard to please everyone! ;-) Actually its possible but I wouldn't recommend it. I struggled with the finishes a lot. I'll have to check with the factory but we might be able to offer the choice of finish. We have quite a bit of flexibility since I'm calling the shots there.

Many, many engineers I talked to all told me the same thing. To keep HMI (and metal halide in general) bulbs alive for their stated lifetime, you want to do everything you can to make sure heat dissipates well from the fixture. Think of the fixture as a big heat sink for the bulb besides its other obvious and indispensible uses.

Black, while mostly used for studio fixtures, seems to be a very bad idea for heat dissipation. Leaving the middle an anodized silver which is pretty attractive (as shown on the 1200w model) and very logical too for many reasons. We were going to finish the front and back in dark green for our HMI line and black for the tungsten line.
 
Adrian Correia said:
That is actually what I am waiting for....a great LED set-up that I can afford...still looking!
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I would wait on the LED option for a while as they still have a long way to go. They have a lot of pluses but unfortunately their colour temp is all over the map and can even change as running on a long scene. They tend to go back to a more original colour temp after they have been shut off for a while but it is very difficult to have 2 matching lights at any given time.
 
Finner said:
I would wait on the LED option for a while as they still have a long way to go. They have a lot of pluses but unfortunately their colour temp is all over the map and can even change as running on a long scene. They tend to go back to a more original colour temp after they have been shut off for a while but it is very difficult to have 2 matching lights at any given time.
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Not to mention they blind the talent as if they were a 50k softsun.
 
Finner said:
I would wait on the LED option for a while as they still have a long way to go. They have a lot of pluses but unfortunately their colour temp is all over the map and can even change as running on a long scene. They tend to go back to a more original colour temp after they have been shut off for a while but it is very difficult to have 2 matching lights at any given time.
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Heat dissipation is a big problem with LEDs. Your comment is not surprising as when the heat goes up and its not vented or sinked properly, the efficiency of the LEDs goes down and their life could even be shortened.

In addition, they are mostly at 30 lumens per watt efficiency which is a bit better than tungsten at 20 LPW. Some in labs have obtained 100 LPW but we're a ways from getting those models. I wonder what people really want in a great LED unit? What would make you use one as a softlight panel and what features would you need?

In addition, talking about hard light options for LEDs, if there were a small pepper fresnel with a 150w single LED that put out around 4000 lumens or so (about the equivalent of a 200w tungsten unit)--would that be interesting, even if it turned out to be a very expensive unit (perhaps very close to $1000)? In other words, would you consider it an expensive novelty and continue using a 150w pepper tungsten fresnel instead? We have some access to LEDs such as this but I've been spending more time on the HMI's under the assumption it's more bang for the buck. The high wattage LEDs are really very expensive still.
 
getken said:
I'd pass on the Joker 200 and the 800, but the 400 is a very versatile light that I use often, and have one in my kit. If you need more punch than that... rent. If you need less, you can easily cut from the 400. I've got 2 Kino Flo Divas as well in the kit that can be swapped out 32 or 56. Kind of useless outdoors but a great soft light for inside. I end up using them alot!
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I would recommend something similar: if often worked with a kit / a pair of two joker 400 in combination with chimera. So if you want to have a basic kit for documentaries, indie pictures, etc. the k5600 are good to own and easy to transport.

The dop who owns the set saved some money by getting the HMI ballasts from kobold instead of k5600.

regards,
martin
 
coollights said:
In other words, would you consider it an expensive novelty and continue using a 150w pepper tungsten fresnel instead?
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Without a doubt, yes.
 
I also like the finish and look as well. I also thought they looked like arri lamps.

What sizes will they come in and do you have a price list?
 
coollights said:
Backup indeed ;-) We've been working very hard here on HMIs and some other great stuff. Many of these solutions will cost half (or even less than half in some cases) of what current ones are thanks to my determination on the subject.

The build quality is excellent, just like the current stuff we offer as many, many DVXuser customers will tell you.

Special pre-order offers are coming up soon.


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Wow...I'm not really into buying lights...but these look fantastic. Couple with that the incredibily high rental prices here in Connecticut (2 day weekends...boo!!) and I might have to invest in these...any idea of a pricepoint or possible preorder dates?
 
coollights said:
In addition, talking about hard light options for LEDs, if there were a small pepper fresnel with a 150w single LED that put out around 4000 lumens or so (about the equivalent of a 200w tungsten unit)--would that be interesting, even if it turned out to be a very expensive unit (perhaps very close to $1000)? In other words, would you consider it an expensive novelty and continue using a 150w pepper tungsten fresnel instead? .
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I would not buy leds for the sake of LEDs they have to return something for the investment. better quality light, lower cost of ownership, more durable,
whatever....there has to be a good reason to switch. Daylight leds with punch for interiors would be awesome and worth the money I think.

With a combination of divas and an arri kit I have had very few instances where I would need anything else.


Now the HMIs on the other hand look pretty nice I would love to be able
to have on hand a 1.2 K and 575 for a reasonable price.
 
coollights said:
Backup indeed ;-) We've been working very hard here on HMIs and some other great stuff. Many of these solutions will cost half (or even less than half in some cases) of what current ones are thanks to my determination on the subject.

The build quality is excellent, just like the current stuff we offer as many, many DVXuser customers will tell you.

Special pre-order offers are coming up soon.


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575AllTheParts.jpg

1200w1.jpg
1200w2.jpg
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Adrian can I ask you a quick tech question. why have you chosen to position
the cable in such a way a to potentionally cause strain? is it an internal
routing thing? seems to me it would be better left as a straight run up.
just wondering...
 
I'm definitely interested....

I'm using whatever lights I can find in a pinch on most projects. Even contractor lights or whatever I can borrow. The local rental houses are typically rented out when I need lights on short notice. And if I add up all the money I've spent on light rentals in the past 2 years, I could have just bought some lights already.
 
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