John Bellari
Well-known member
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2011
- Messages
- 336
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 0
We like to custom build video and audio workstations, then set it and forget it.
We keep them offline as much as possible, and treat them like dedicated hardware.
We pay staff to maintain our data and client data offline with redundancy, and security is our #1 concern
in dealing with client files. We know of no organizations much less countries that can secure online data 100%.
If flash security holes are any indication of the trustworthiness of Adobe,
why would I want to entrust not only my software updates but my project files to Adobe?
If Adobe has their servers hacked, and my client footage is now floating around the internet,
am I liable? (My lawyer is smiling...)
We just updated to CS 6 Master Collection less than 30 days ago, and are cancelling that update
and will only be using Adobe CC as required by clients on select machines.
This new pricing scheme seems like a race to the bottom for annual subscriptions,
and I think Apple can win that race before Adobe with superior hardware support.
I do like the new Open CL support and new 3D integrated compositing feature, but we use Autodesk for 3D needs and wish Adobe implemented the feature
with support for Autodesk instead ( or stated if Maya / Max will be next).
I called Adobe sales, and found out about the new price for the software rental at $74.99 for a month or $49.99 per month for a year ($600 annual).
However, when we pay for software, we expect it to work properly for that revision level and to be able to use it forever,
not locked to a rental scheme and perpetual beta software, where you can't use it to open an old project unless you pay
for another rental fee on that machine.
I suspect Adobe management feels that Apple and Avid came up with a wimper of an upgrade,
so they have leverage to extract maximum dollars from larger clients this update cycle,
and then will maybe pickup lost consumers next major release?
I say this because they previously said they'd "drop" CS upgrades 2 versions back, yet ditch that plan only a year later
and now try to force all users to rental only...
but guess what next year's #1 aniticipated ADOBE SECRET TOOL TO FORCE UPGRADES in 2014 is:
h.265 will be cloud only and CS6 will be forced to upgrade to CC
in order to use and support h.265 4K camcorders and compression for delivery...
Brilliantly "evil"/profitable plan I must say...
We will stay at CS 5.5 Master Collection on most of our machines, until maybe the next major update if there's no better alternative
or a reversal on their perpetual license policy.
I wish companies would focus on releasing good software, instead of cooking up new pricing models.
Adobe, you had us, now just lost us this round...
- - - - - - - - - - -
UPDATED- QUESTIONS FOR AL & DAVID FROM ADOBE:
Hi Al & David,
I believe the Adobe CC is an incredibly bad idea, frought with tons of legal implications to be thoroughly litigated.
I have another post, but i'll add the question here since you joined this forum.
Your CEO thinks it wise to host apps, project files and footage from Adobe's Cloud,
so please respond in regard to these 3 scenarios in regard to privacy:
Scenario 1:
I am an editor cutting a news story where our cameraman just shot footage of a Chicago police officer
striking an unarmed female college student at a protest. In Illinois, it is illegal to film a police officer,
having to do with antiquated wiretapping laws.
The cameraman uploads the footage to the Adobe Cloud.
Question 1. Does Adobe turn over the footage in the Cloud to the Illinois state police as evidence,
and offers no protection to the cameraman or editor who uploaded to their own cloud space?
Scenario 2:
College students shoot footage in a major city subway without permit for an independent feature or school project, uploads to the Adobe Cloud, and
the camera man is later arrested for shooting in the city without permit. For a temporary track, the editor uploaded a U2 track
while cutting the scene.
Question 2: Does Adobe turn over the files to the police or FBI as evidence for violation of copyright and film permit laws?
Scenario 3: The above 2 scenarios take place, yet neither the cameraman or editor were never prosecuted by the authorities. 2 years later,
the Adobe Cloud account is hacked and the footage is leaked online. The authorities now request the footage from Adobe and who stored it.
Question 3a. Does Adobe notify the parties their account has been hacked?
Question 3b. In what countries are the files stored under what legal jurisdictions, and does Adobe deny authorities access?
Question 3c. Does Adobe cooperate with the Authorities to locate all the people who touched the files at any point without notifying them they are being investigated?
I just think people need to know whom the cloud serves first, and do you allow every legal entity the right to search projects
without notifying us...
Please post responses, as they are very important to every cameraman and editor working with the Adobe Creative Cloud going forward...
We keep them offline as much as possible, and treat them like dedicated hardware.
We pay staff to maintain our data and client data offline with redundancy, and security is our #1 concern
in dealing with client files. We know of no organizations much less countries that can secure online data 100%.
If flash security holes are any indication of the trustworthiness of Adobe,
why would I want to entrust not only my software updates but my project files to Adobe?
If Adobe has their servers hacked, and my client footage is now floating around the internet,
am I liable? (My lawyer is smiling...)
We just updated to CS 6 Master Collection less than 30 days ago, and are cancelling that update
and will only be using Adobe CC as required by clients on select machines.
This new pricing scheme seems like a race to the bottom for annual subscriptions,
and I think Apple can win that race before Adobe with superior hardware support.
I do like the new Open CL support and new 3D integrated compositing feature, but we use Autodesk for 3D needs and wish Adobe implemented the feature
with support for Autodesk instead ( or stated if Maya / Max will be next).
I called Adobe sales, and found out about the new price for the software rental at $74.99 for a month or $49.99 per month for a year ($600 annual).
However, when we pay for software, we expect it to work properly for that revision level and to be able to use it forever,
not locked to a rental scheme and perpetual beta software, where you can't use it to open an old project unless you pay
for another rental fee on that machine.
I suspect Adobe management feels that Apple and Avid came up with a wimper of an upgrade,
so they have leverage to extract maximum dollars from larger clients this update cycle,
and then will maybe pickup lost consumers next major release?
I say this because they previously said they'd "drop" CS upgrades 2 versions back, yet ditch that plan only a year later
and now try to force all users to rental only...
but guess what next year's #1 aniticipated ADOBE SECRET TOOL TO FORCE UPGRADES in 2014 is:
h.265 will be cloud only and CS6 will be forced to upgrade to CC
in order to use and support h.265 4K camcorders and compression for delivery...
Brilliantly "evil"/profitable plan I must say...
We will stay at CS 5.5 Master Collection on most of our machines, until maybe the next major update if there's no better alternative
or a reversal on their perpetual license policy.
I wish companies would focus on releasing good software, instead of cooking up new pricing models.
Adobe, you had us, now just lost us this round...
- - - - - - - - - - -
UPDATED- QUESTIONS FOR AL & DAVID FROM ADOBE:
Hi Al & David,
I believe the Adobe CC is an incredibly bad idea, frought with tons of legal implications to be thoroughly litigated.
I have another post, but i'll add the question here since you joined this forum.
Your CEO thinks it wise to host apps, project files and footage from Adobe's Cloud,
so please respond in regard to these 3 scenarios in regard to privacy:
Scenario 1:
I am an editor cutting a news story where our cameraman just shot footage of a Chicago police officer
striking an unarmed female college student at a protest. In Illinois, it is illegal to film a police officer,
having to do with antiquated wiretapping laws.
The cameraman uploads the footage to the Adobe Cloud.
Question 1. Does Adobe turn over the footage in the Cloud to the Illinois state police as evidence,
and offers no protection to the cameraman or editor who uploaded to their own cloud space?
Scenario 2:
College students shoot footage in a major city subway without permit for an independent feature or school project, uploads to the Adobe Cloud, and
the camera man is later arrested for shooting in the city without permit. For a temporary track, the editor uploaded a U2 track
while cutting the scene.
Question 2: Does Adobe turn over the files to the police or FBI as evidence for violation of copyright and film permit laws?
Scenario 3: The above 2 scenarios take place, yet neither the cameraman or editor were never prosecuted by the authorities. 2 years later,
the Adobe Cloud account is hacked and the footage is leaked online. The authorities now request the footage from Adobe and who stored it.
Question 3a. Does Adobe notify the parties their account has been hacked?
Question 3b. In what countries are the files stored under what legal jurisdictions, and does Adobe deny authorities access?
Question 3c. Does Adobe cooperate with the Authorities to locate all the people who touched the files at any point without notifying them they are being investigated?
I just think people need to know whom the cloud serves first, and do you allow every legal entity the right to search projects
without notifying us...
Please post responses, as they are very important to every cameraman and editor working with the Adobe Creative Cloud going forward...
Last edited: