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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Adjusted Delivery Schedule...

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david farland said:
I think it's dismissive...!!

...which I guess is the point, as I wouldn't want a continual flow of emails asking when, what or why can't I have my camera yet as I'm doing my best to get them out.

But I guess (hope) Red knows they can't have it both ways.....to have thousands of people with their nose pressed up against the glass waiting for their camera.......and not saying a word!

Cheers,
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Point taken. It's a tough spot. They want everyone to have their nose against the glass and they have set high goals PUBLICLY. This takes some very large balls. I can admire this because most of the time in our business we have been slaves to the technology with no real input. (and other companies would not have the sack to do what red has done) .

I can totally see the point of view that they are dismissive but can people really expect Jim to rush their camera because they promised someone they would shoot with it, or they have a "project". If they have a "project" they can shoot 35mm and then wait for the RED for their next film.

RED faces the same problem of every start up, they need to be creative when it comes to hype (to get the word out) and they have done a great job at getting people talking about their technology. They've delivered and are being (i think) as open as they can be under the circumstances.

sometimes just shutting up is better (as the stuff on this board can get out of hand very quickly).

David
 
In the end of the day it's helpful if one realizes that RED has adopted a new style to make business which calls for a new attitude from the customers as well.

As far as I understand the key issues are:

1) RED's goal is to get the cost of the camera & accessories as low as possible, and

2) RED shares the information of R&D progress on these pages with all those who are interested in the camera.

3) RED updates their best assumption of the delivery schedule, and tells one to be prepared for changes.

Now, if one compares this to the traditional business style -big R&D teams, big sales department, expensive advertising companies around the world, and almost complete silence of the technical details- it soon becomes evident why the others are not able to sell a 4K camera for this price tag. The other way around, as we are going to get the camera for a very reasonable cost, it just implies one should not expect to have everything immediately.

Summing up, the question is of two sided coin. Picking the other side from RED and the other from Sony, Panasonic, or Canon is bound to create some internal frustation. What about: "relax"
 
I phoned the RED office yesterday and was told the EVF are not shipping.

So what is it? Are they shipping or are the not shipping?
 
Lauri Kettunen said:
In the end of the day it's helpful if one realizes that RED has adopted a new style to make business which calls for a new attitude from the customers as well.

As far as I understand the key issues are:

1) RED's goal is to get the cost of the camera & accessories as low as possible, and

2) RED shares the information of R&D progress on these pages with all those who are interested in the camera.

3) RED updates their best assumption of the delivery schedule, and tells one to be prepared for changes.

Now, if one compares this to the traditional business style -big R&D teams, big sales department, expensive advertising companies around the world, and almost complete silence of the technical details- it soon becomes evident why the others are not able to sell a 4K camera for this price tag. The other way around, as we are going to get the camera for a very reasonable cost, it just implies one should not expect to have everything immediately.

Summing up, the question is of two sided coin. Picking the other side from RED and the other from Sony, Panasonic, or Canon is bound to create some internal frustation. What about: "relax"
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I agree 100%.

I just want to know what my time stamp means...
 
I've just got email from RED about delivery schedule update from Jim.

Also I am fine with the new adjusted delivery schedule.
 
Time Stamps

Time Stamps

The new schedule offers no insight into orders that are time stamped. We are just as eager as those with serial numbers to get our Reds. Please, more information.
 
I dont have a serial number but a tracking number.
Is the new Delivery Schedule relevant on the tracking numbers?

If not. How do we get any wiser regarding our RED-expectations?
 
stockfootage said:
The new schedule offers no insight into orders that are time stamped. We are just as eager as those with serial numbers to get our Reds. Please, more information.
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Had the adjusted sched emailed to me. But it's hard to interpret the schedule when we don't know where we fall in the serial numbers bracket. I have an order number, rather than a time stamp, unless they are the same thing?
 
If I were Jim I'd be pretty pissed. He posts a schedule that gives rough release dates all the way up to 4000 (Which should cover most of us I think). Then he gives release dates for firmware and remaining accessories.

And then some people INSULT him for not answering more questions.

No wonder he does not talk a lot about it.

The cameras are shipping, and we now have a pretty good idea of when they will arrive.

Will the date slip some more? You bet your undies it will.. They are on a learning curve right now. However, I am betting once they are 99% bug free, with all accessories working, then you will see some more speed.

Jay
 
Jay, I hope you don't mean me! You can see from my other posts that I have the upmost respect for Jim and the Red team. I'm just curious where I fall on the list. As others have stated, my order number/time stamp/tracking number isn't a clear representation of my serial number, or if it is, it seems lost in translation. Thanks.
 
I guess since RED is too busy to work out the timestamp/serial number issue. Maybe those who don't have a serial number can try to figure it out among themselves. At one point I remember they had 2500 orders. Use that point as a reference for those who ordered before it. etc.
 
That's a good reference, thanks Curran. I'm guessing that puts me around April/May area.
 
Jannard said:
It has become apparent that we cannot ship out all cameras on one day of a scheduled release. Please note the word "Begins" now is inserted into the schedule.

You CAN choose to wait until all features are enabled to take delivery (with no penalty). We now expect all features to be enabled by November 30th.

We encourage anyone that is nervous about accepting a camera that does not have all features enabled to wait.

Serial numbers 1-50 Delivered
Serial numbers 51-100 Begins October 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-200 Begins October 30th (100 units)
Serial numbers 201- 600 Begins November 30th (400 units)
Serial numbers 601- 1100 Begins December 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1101- 1600 Begins January 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1601- 2200 Begins February 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 Begins March 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 Begins April 30th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 Begins May 30th (700 units)

Jim
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there has to be a better way to say it.

Begins January 30th
It's nothing more then "February"

:wink:
 
I am full of respect for Jim and his team, they are welcome here for coffe and a snack.
Nevertheless I need to know if the tracking number are corresponding to the serial number. If Jim and his team cannot walk on water they should provide this simple info.
If they can indeed walk on water, same thing, I still need to know, and addition to that I want to know how the do the walking thing.

;-)

Peter
 
liquidigital said:
That's a good reference, thanks Curran. I'm guessing that puts me around April/May area.
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Here is some more info for reference:


http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=51989#post51989

06-17-2007 Jim said: If you place an order now, we require a 10% deposit. There are just about 2000 orders total to date.



http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=77739#post77739

09-03-2007 Sean R. said: These guys got it spot on. If you order now you can expect delivery in Spring of 2008, probably March. Once again though to remind all these are tentative dates and subject to change, however a good estimate.
The most important thing is the IBC dynamic. We expect a big influx of orders at IBC and an even bigger one right after so the queue will indefinitely be lengthened.



http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=87974&postcount=6

09-21-2007 Jim said: So far, all current orders received should be filled by April 2008.
 
Hi Curran,

At IBC I was told by Ted that there was a longer wait than that.

Stephen

Curran Giddens said:
Here is some more info for reference:


http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=51989#post51989

06-17-2007 Jim said: If you place an order now, we require a 10% deposit. There are just about 2000 orders total to date.



http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=77739#post77739

09-03-2007 Sean R. said: These guys got it spot on. If you order now you can expect delivery in Spring of 2008, probably March. Once again though to remind all these are tentative dates and subject to change, however a good estimate.
The most important thing is the IBC dynamic. We expect a big influx of orders at IBC and an even bigger one right after so the queue will indefinitely be lengthened.



http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=87974&postcount=6

09-21-2007 Jim said: So far, all current orders received should be filled by April 2008.
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