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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

A whole new camera?

michael zaletel said:
Purchased just now. :)
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The $99 price makes it an easy decision. You can go ahead and buy it as a "just in case." If it was $200-300, I would only ever buy it if it was absolutely necessary.

michael zaletel said:
Does anyone know if the AE or Premiere Neat Video Plug-in is faster than the FCP plug-in on same footage with same settings on same computer?
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Also, how would the FCP version work for 4K footage since FCP doesn't support anything over 4000 pixels? I will probably go with the AE version also for stability reasons. Too bad there isn't a standalone version.
 
Wow, this is truly amazing. What about getting the NeatVideo algorythm (or let Graeme do a better one) into the RED Rocket and do it in real time? Or right into Epic and Scarlet where it belongs in the first place ;)

Mike
 
Evin, thanks for sharing! I use Neat Image for stills with quite a bit of success but I dial it all in manually. How does this work with video? Is it all automatic? And could you please post a very short before and after 1080 H.264 if you have the files readily available? Just a few seconds of each if it isn't too much trouble. (or is the 2k a before and after? I better check)

Mike Zinner said:
Wow, this is truly amazing. What about getting the NeatVideo algorythm (or let Graeme do a better one) into the RED Rocket and do it in real time? Or right into Epic and Scarlet where it belongs in the first place ;)

Mike
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I was thinking along these lines yesterday night then woke up wondering about it. Maybe Red needs to get on with delivering a real 1001% timing application. My guess is that Graeme is swamped as hell and will be for a VERY long time, but perhaps he could oversee a team developing such a thing. There would be no substitute for Red developing Red timing tools.

I mean, it makes so much gosh darn rational sense! Let the digital camera makers employ the developers themselves, then part of each camera system will be the timing tools! It is all one thing in my mind's eye...
 
I feel the filtered one, although grain is removed, kinda looks soft. I guess the grain, however unpleasant it may be, gives it an illusion of sharpness perhaps?
 
I finally watched it, thanks for the before and after Evin. I think it is softer in all the right places.

I would really appreciate hearing a bit on how the filter is applied, manual vs. auto and so on.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
I finally watched it, thanks for the before and after Evin. I think it is softer in all the right places.

I would really appreciate hearing a bit on how the filter is applied, manual vs. auto and so on.
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For best results you want to tweak it - you won't get optimal results if you use the same settings for that 320ASA outside footage as you do for the 800ASA tungsten stuff...

To get it started you can feed it a piece of a frame with ONLY noise (eg no detail) and it uses that to calibrate.

After that there is another page of settings you can tweak.

This is only for the noise reduction that takes place inside one frame. The setting for how much info to use from the frames before and afterwards is separate.

Download the demo!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
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That first test is in stupid mode, I've gotten it much more fine tuned in the last few days.
The advanced mode is definitely the way to go but be prepared for some trial and error.
I'd recommend cutting a 5 second test clip and test rendering a few different combinations to see what works for you.
 
Simon Valderrama said:
Did anyone ever compare the NeatVideo plugin with Furnace DeNoise and MotionSmooth plugin in Nuke?
Furnace DeNoise does motion estimation, i'm still training on finetuning the plugin parameters but results are very good.
Wonder if NeatVideo has some advantages over Furnace plugins ...
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i know a lot of compositers on the fusion and nuke forums running furnace that actually prefer the neatvideo plugin.....and the cost is a small fraction
 
Bruce Allen said:
To get it started you can feed it a piece of a frame with ONLY noise (eg no detail) and it uses that to calibrate.
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Very interesting, and promising.

Evin Grant said:
The advanced mode is definitely the way to go but be prepared for some trial and error.
I'd recommend cutting a 5 second test clip and test rendering a few different combinations to see what works for you.
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Sounds like a lot of work, especially to get it to match shot to shot. Perhaps we should try to lock the lighting setup for the scene and only tweak a little from setup to setup..? Any tips for production?
 
Hi all,

Found this on Neat Videos site:

"Neat Video supports the industry standard video data types and file formats:

8-bit per channel (24-bit RGB) rendering is supported by all versions of Neat Video plug-ins for After Effects, Premiere, Final Cut, VirtualDub, Sony Vegas and Pinnacle Studio

16-bit per channel (48-bit RGB) rendering is supported by Neat Video Pro plug-in for After Effects and Premiere"

So does this mean if I want more accuracy in colours and no banding issues I should go for the AE or Premiere version??

Thanks,

Tom
 
Evin Grant said:
That seems to be true for the FCP plug-in, but if it's the last thing you apply it shouldn't ad banding or degrade the image. You should do your CC first for precision anyway.
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I found that I get the best results when adding the filter directly to the .r3d files in AE, as the very first filter (bottom right picture). The picture atached is pushed to 2000asa.
 
To follow up on Evin's suggestion, through my limited testing, I thought I'd pass along a mention that if you use the NeatVideo filter before everything in FCP, every time you make an additional change, the render time is still ridiculously long. So you could be adding to your pain by multiplying the render effect each time you decide to make a tweak. Food for thought.
 
Neat Video is the way to go! :)

Neat Video is the way to go! :)

A while back I ran some tests comparing 5 different noise reduction plugins and at that time I thought that Neat Video was the winner- and with the new color science it makes it even more so!

If you want to see the comparison footage, you can check it out here:
http://www.vimeo.com/3896923
 
cinemano said:
I feel the filtered one, although grain is removed, kinda looks soft. I guess the grain, however unpleasant it may be, gives it an illusion of sharpness perhaps?
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Definitely. But then you can just add grain back on top just to bring back some of the sharpness. But this time under your control.
 
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