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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

A taste...

stevesherrick said:
Stephen, have you had any luck finding a used Red for $12,000 or less yet?:biggrin:
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Hi,

I said end of the year! Bear in mind thay Euro buyers who bought at the right time won't be making much of a loss at $12,000. I am amazed everyone is so bullish with the worlds financial situatioin at the moment.

What I do know is every one of my clients is paying slower than they were 60 days ago. I have been paid by just one client in that time but have been very busy shooting.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
What I do know is every one of my clients is paying slower than they were 60 days ago. I have been paid by just one client in that time but have been very busy shooting.

Stephen
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I have seen this tendency evolve over the last year - long before I got my RED...
 
Maybe?

Maybe?

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Jarred Land said:
from scratch :)
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Did you draw that yourself? I'd buy that in a heartbeat if it was a poster. There is also a certain irony in that artwork in that the last Godzilla movie was shot on Sony F900 cameras. :ninja:
 
Beyond our expectations, hmmmmm......
Then I know the Epic will come standard with an IMS. That will include everyones favorite glass will electronic control and I pins.
 
RedoCop strikes again :biggrin:
 
I dont see RED destroying other companies.

I see RED making his very own world.

Antoine
 
Peter Sensor said:
Jim, this all sounds great. But I'm sending a wire today for my Red one.
Should I be waiting ?
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Don't anyone spend any money on just one of my feelings... but I think if one is thinking about buying a RED One, they should do so BEFORE Nov. 13th.:calm: If you are thinking about Epic instead, it's already been stated there will be no penalty... everything else has so far been left unsaid.
 
How about this for a "wildest speculation":

Red has made a breakthrough in sensor technology - a very, very fast high resolution plenoptic sensor, and a similar breakthrough in compression technology.

(in case you don't know what plenoptic means, read this)
http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/jyawang/demos/plenoptic/plenoptic.html

The pocket-sized camera is able to shoot 8K plenoptic video at very high frame rates under normal lighting conditions and compress them to a manageable size. The sensor sensitivity, speed and compression efficiency have all been improved by a factor of 100 or so. The footage will be always shot at, say, 2400 frames a second.

What would this mean in practice??

1. Shooting plenoptic means the footage is instantly 3D compatible, with single camera, single lens.

2. A high resolution depth matte can be extracted from the image by computing the differences of the view points. No more greenscreen...

3. The camera's focus point and depth of field characteristics can be determined in post

3b. In the future there will be software that will generate 3D mesh from the footage, even if it's just one frame, as well as extract camera's path as 3D motion, but the rumor is that this may be done by a 3rd party ;-)

4. Shooting at 2400 fps means footage can be conformed to any normal playback frame rate in post.

5. It also means the shutter speed can be determined in post by combining individual frames (i.e. 1/48 at 24 fps would mean combining 50 frames together, then throwing away 50 frames, rinse and repeat).

6. As a side effect, the camera would be a HDR camera - the exposure would be created from 50 combined normal dynamic range frames, which in practice means roughly 6 extra stops of latitude.

7. A "minor" side effect would be awesome slow motion footage (when giving away extra dynamic range etc.), up to 1% speed.

8. Of course creating speed ramps in post is also a non-issue.

9. Due to yet another bunch of breakthroughs in the manufacturing process, this all can be yours for just $999.-

10. It ships in december 2008, available at all grocery stores near you.



...how'd that sound?

PS: building a high speed plenoptic camera is possible with today's technology, at least in theory. It wouldn't fit in the pocket though, and $999 is a bit of an underestimate for the cost...
 
Halsu said:
How about this for a "wildest speculation":

Red has made a breakthrough in sensor technology - a very, very fast high resolution plenoptic sensor, and a similar breakthrough in compression technology.

(in case you don't know what plenoptic means, read this)
http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/jyawang/demos/plenoptic/plenoptic.html

The pocket-sized camera is able to shoot 8K plenoptic video at very high frame rates under normal lighting conditions and compress them to a manageable size. The sensor sensitivity, speed and compression efficiency have all been improved by a factor of 100 or so. The footage will be always shot at, say, 2400 frames a second.

What would this mean in practice??

1. Shooting plenoptic means the footage is instantly 3D compatible, with single camera, single lens.

2. A high resolution depth matte can be extracted from the image by computing the differences of the view points. No more greenscreen...

3. The camera's focus point and depth of field characteristics can be determined in post

3b. In the future there will be software that will generate 3D mesh from the footage, even if it's just one frame, as well as extract camera's path as 3D motion, but the rumor is that this may be done by a 3rd party ;-)

4. Shooting at 2400 fps means footage can be conformed to any normal playback frame rate in post.

5. It also means the shutter speed can be determined in post by combining individual frames (i.e. 1/48 at 24 fps would mean combining 50 frames together, then throwing away 50 frames, rinse and repeat).

6. As a side effect, the camera would be a HDR camera - the exposure would be created from 50 combined normal dynamic range frames, which in practice means roughly 6 extra stops of latitude.

7. A "minor" side effect would be awesome slow motion footage (when giving away extra dynamic range etc.), up to 1% speed.

8. Of course creating speed ramps in post is also a non-issue.

9. Due to yet another bunch of breakthroughs in the manufacturing process, this all can be yours for just $999.-

10. It ships in december 2008, available at all grocery stores near you.



...how'd that sound?
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Its posts like these that make me wish Jim didnt say beyond our wildest expectations. Everybody has just been talking ridiculous since then. I know the posts are just supposed to be funny but....

Jim, I think Scarlets original specs were amazing so any improvements would amaze me. Cant wait to buy one if. If you need any help in mass producing the cameras let me know. Ill work for free or maybee a scarlet.
 
That's funny, it's the futuristic sci fi posts like these that bring me back to this thread. Plus, I learned a new word. I don't think I understand it yet:clown2: , but I learned it.

Cool!
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
That's funny, it's the futuristic sci fi posts like these that bring me back to this thread.
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Cameras like the one i described are not necessarily that far in the future.

If this stuff follows Moore's law, 100 time improvement compared to current technology would only take about 10 years or so. Remember it's just roughly 10 years since all digital cameras were SD - RED ONE pushes dozens of times more image data through the pipeline.

And it doesn't need to be 100 times better to be better...

Even RED ONE can be used in the way i described, if you skip the plenoptic part.

When shooting 2K at 1/120s. 120 fps, it should be possible to conform the footage to different frame rates and shutter speeds without visible artifacts (i.e. for 1/40 sec 24fps footage one would combine 3 frames, throw away 2). Combining the image from three frames should also improve signal to noise ratio (usable dynamic range) by more than one stop.

As far as plenoptic cameras go, they already exist.

http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/

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Be sure to check the video, it explains the technology with great examples:
http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/lfcamera.avi
 
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