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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

A taste...

Jannard said:
Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery). The message will be more than you could have ever dreamed. Then the wait will be unbearable. I have to suffer the same fate as you. It is exciting beyond measure. And frustrating beyond belief. We all want it NOW. The only good news is we know what you want. So at least you will be waiting for something worthwhile... beyond your wildest dreams.

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience... because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim
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With this type of writing makes me wish I could afford to hire you to write the Synopsis for my current Movie, I KNOW I will get the full budget from the Studios then!:)

I think is time for me to ease up on reading your posts, my heart had already had a strong hit once:w00t:

But still looking forward to what is to come, and more so looking forward to have you soon next door here ion Vegas, then I can Bag the crap out of you guys on a daily basis or cook you guys Lasagna and prepare Tirami Su' just to get a little closer to this "INSANE" company called "RED DIGITAL CINEMA"

ciao
 
Michael Lindsay said:
Aggressive price cuts would worry and disappoint me. I want things cheap but please Epic should be the no compromise, slightly over engineered, product that certain productions need.
Michael Lindsay
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Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so $10,000 next year is not that out of line. Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do, with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.


Stephen
 
It's always funny to read the numerous posts that a simple Jim's tease induces. He's gifted, that's a fact !

Meryem, about the Lumière Brothers thing : sure, from a technical point of view, using the same box to record and project the pictures was impressive. But the real surprise was to see moving pictures... It was a long time ago, but I remember quite clearly : in this small room on the Grands Boulevards in Paris, some spectators even jumped from their seats to keep out of the train's way... the arrival of the train at the Ciotat...

Uh, I have to go, my old bones are cracking from everywhere...
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so $10,000 next year is not that out of line. Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do, with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.


Stephen
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Lol, how do you know how many units they expected to sell?

I hope you have been saving your Euros for Epic!!
 
Tom said:
I hope you have been saving your Euros for Epic!!
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Hi Tom,

IIRC in the beginning there was talk of 500 units

I have been buying USD for a long time, however I invested in the stockmarket so I have been hit badly.

Stephen
 
Hi Stephen

Stephen Williams said:
Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so...
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I don't expect this... there is the transistor count doubling trend observations of others and there is my experience of buying high end workstations for over 10 years. Neither lead me to infer your statement and counter intuitively apply it to a cinema camera
Stephen Williams said:
Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do...
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I'd bet Jim ambitions are far greater than you are suggesting.

Stephen Williams said:
...with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.
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I'm sure he can make a cinema camera for $5000. But why would you make a PL mount camera for less than a good set of diopters ??

A fully kitted out scarlet for 5k sound great to me.. I'll take 2 straight away.

One of my frustrations with our Reds IS the economy of scale consequences. I just don't want to encourage more. A proper design stage producing a beautifully cut body with a perfectly thermally modelled mount would cost as much as you want to pay for a whole cinema camera??

I'd also like Red to invest in serious R&D.. You? And I don't mind them making a good profit. you?

I personally hope Epic is not compromised (like his 18-50, most of the accessories and some aspects of Red one) by cheapness.

And I say this as someone without deep pockets or a hire business to justify my spending.

Once post is finally sorted out it would be great to have no more well justified moans.

I want a digital 435/Penelope rolled into a revolution continuing product.

I suspect you would like to shoot with my fictional camera (and hopefully Epic) but are enjoying the billionaire baiting game too much.

regards

Michael Lindsay
 
Reading these posts today has caused me to have a great day. I have no idea what jim plans. He has made so many little comments here and there. I love my brand new red one. I wish that it was even possible to consider picking up an epic. but unless the trade in value on the one happens to be equal to the cost of the epic its not likely to happen. Regardless, I am thoroughly enjoying the speculation. Jim, you are clearly the master of viral marketing. I keep hearing all this talk about how Red's marketing machine is more than their cameras are capable of. but considering your marketing machine is us, the owners, clearly you have done a fantastic job.

okay, my speculation:

Red one upgraded to an epic at a price
however, i also think that there will be some kind of modular replacement for red one owners rather than an outright swap.
 
Michael Lindsay said:
I suspect you would like to shoot with my fictional camera (and hopefully Epic) but are enjoying the billionaire baiting game too much.

regards

Michael Lindsay
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Hi Michael,

I enjoy shooting with whatever camera is most suitable for the job in hand. Having shot 35mm, Red, Digtal Betacam & HVX200 in the last 4 weeks, horses for cources.

I have no reason to play a baiting game. I don't remember mentioning that the markets would fall 40% this year, that would have been a baiting game for many billionairs 12 months ago.

Stephen
 
Stephen,
HVX200 was released December 05.
I cant remember exactly but i think 5500-6000 was the price for that camera.
BH has it for about 5100
(the reason these drop in price is because there are many resellers who fight for competition)

by your theory. an HVX would be going new for...
750-1000 bucks?


btw.. it prolly will be after scarlet:)
 
Michael Lindsay said:
Hi Stephen

Stephen Williams said:
Hi Michael,
one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months ...
Stephen
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I don't expect this... there is the transistor count doubling trend observations of others and there is my experience of buying high end workstations for over 10 years. Neither lead me to infer your statement and counter intuitively apply it to a cinema camera.
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With the boundary between computer and communications-type chips and devices blurring, the price-falloff-model perhaps needs to be reevaluated. Sharp declines in semiconductor prices are largely responsible for observed declines in computer prices. Communications devices also have a large semiconductor content, but their prices do not fall nearly as fast as computer prices. Many times, these differences are large enough to potentially explain all of the output price differences.

Some studies have suggested that the lack of “convergence” in quality adjusted price trends between computers and communications may have been due in large part to regulatory factors. However, with the breakup of Bell Systems, and deregulation of communication markets sometime ago, and rapid growth in unregulated data communications and networking markets, the regulatory inference seems less plausible.

Michael Lindsay said:
I'm sure he can make a cinema camera for $5000.
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Based upon what I have seen, a price range in to $5000-10,000 seems possible. On the other hand, Epic has been rumored to be in the $30,000-40,000 range. I would tend to think that Jim Jannard would like to do his best to bring the cost down as much as possible, and is certainly helped by direct sales from his own outfit.

However, I have never been able to reconcile why there is a difference.
 
Zakaree said:
Stephen,

btw.. it prolly will be after scarlet:)
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Hi Zakaree,

HVX seems like a very old camera now, I would not want to pay more than $1000 for one today. Far better cameras are available today for $6000.

Stephen

BTW the DigiBeta with a 4.8mm wide zoom was far cheaper to rent than the HVX. The director wanted to edit using final cut and firewire.
 
Jannard said:
Not a chance! This is the most fun I have ever had in my life...

Jim
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So its all clear now:

Its the new portable game system from RED:

Jim has fun.
Jim shows ABCD buttons.
Jim shows a Joystick.

Its a game pad.

Have fun!

Axel
 
Jim: is it possible that one of the changes to Scarlet is the addition of an Amimon chip to allow wireless uncompressed HD to be streamed to a monitor or capture station? And if not, have you guys considered this? Cheers
 
This is my speculation as to what has happened...

I believe that the two renders we were shown were not either camera, but the Smart Handle that can attach to both for stills and whatever else you can use it for. That is why he asked us how we know that we haven't seen the Epic either. OR it could just be the plate on the back of both cameras. Ha. I still think that its the Smart Handle but now has much more purpose and can attach to both cams.

I also think that this Smart Handle has taken over the DSMC. The reason there is no more DSMC is because they figured out a way to make both EPIC and SCARLET DSMC's and thanks to this Smart Handle they don't have to worry about making another camera...they can focus on making the ones they are already working on.

How sweet would that be? Anyone think I am anywhere close?
 
I think the render is of the new RED Stupendo garage door opener.
 
pmosiman said:
This is my speculation as to what has happened...

I believe that the two renders we were shown were not either camera, but the Smart Handle that can attach to both for stills and whatever else you can use it for. That is why he asked us how we know that we haven't seen the Epic either. OR it could just be the plate on the back of both cameras. Ha. I still think that its the Smart Handle but now has much more purpose and can attach to both cams.

I also think that this Smart Handle has taken over the DSMC. The reason there is no more DSMC is because they figured out a way to make both EPIC and SCARLET DSMC's and thanks to this Smart Handle they don't have to worry about making another camera...they can focus on making the ones they are already working on.

How sweet would that be? Anyone think I am anywhere close?
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I think the same. Along those lines anyway.
 
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