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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

A few new things...

Terry VerHaar said:
I hope everyone has duly noted that it was stated earlier in the thread that the CF module shown does not have dual slots. If I am not mistaken, the side module (shown) has a single slot while the rear module will have two. Just an FYI to remember as people seem to be assuming two slots in this module.

[EDIT: Damn, I can't find the post. Well, that's what I THOUGHT I read. Can anyone else clear this up?]
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That's right. That thing people are seeing that they think is a second CF card is the lever you push to eject the card.
 
Below the record button on the side handle, is that a electronic zoom function, what is it?

Does the wheel for shutter above the record button work?!
 
Just got back from the Alexa debut and I was fairly pleased with the system so far. For me, I'm less jazzed about on-board ProRes recording to cards than I am harnessing ArriRaw information. But with that said, in all honesty, I'm equally excited or perhaps even a little more so to see what the Epic truly will offer. I think both cameras are going to be game changers, and I'm looking forward to working with both.

From what I've seen so far, from a design standpoint, I think nearly all of the Red One's snag points will be overcome in the Epic. If I had to rattle through them quickly off the top of my head, I'm so far hard pressed to see a true short coming, but let me try.

Many of you didn't like my criticisms in the AC mag article. Let's see if I can address them now with an eye toward the Epic.

In no particular order.... First off, the day-light balancing of the sensor. This issue has already largely been addressed with the Mysterium-X sensor, its low noise and better overall blue channel performance. That said, if I have the photons, I still opt to try to nail my color temperatures as much as possible.

Compression. The Red One is basically maxed out right now. I don't think we're going to see many more significant strides in decreasing Redcode compression. I'll take Redcode 42 any day over 28. But the Epic stands to blow this data rate out of the water. So that pleases me to no end.

Overheating. Even with the Mysterium-X chip in the Red One, its still got the same guts and cooling mechanisms; and therefore prone to the same sensitivity to heat. It's been intimated that the Epic runs significantly cooler and that its internal architecture has a role to play with that as well. So I'm hoping that this issue will also die with the Epic.

Battery mount issues and slow boot-up times. Yeah yeah yeah, there's umpteen different options for battery mounts, connections or blocks out there. Still I see this creep up, so it's ongoing and sometimes annoying. Epic is reputed to have much less power demands, so that's a good start. That V lock connector on the Red bricks are still iffy, so I'm going to wait and see how that plays out with the Epic, since there's still some drive to use old Red One accessories with the Epic. However, with that said, the much faster boot up time is definitely exciting news.

4K is not really 4K and Bayer pattern blah blah. Yea I get it. Alexa's got a Bayer sensor too. I don't have a problem with either. Red has clearly stated recently what they feel the resolution performance the Mysterium-X chip can effectively deliver. And that's much more accurate and dispels much of the misunderstood hype. Even in a Red One, the MX delivers an improvement in effective resolution over the original sensor. That said, with 5K in the Epic, I'm not going to raise issue with its resolution capabilities... just as long as you don't expect to call 5K true 5K, we're cool. 5K gives effective 4K? I'm totally willing to accept that... AND at some point we ain't going to need more pixels, it's what the pixels do and how they're processed is what matters. Redcolor is a step in that direction. So is the lesser compressions. Redcode 250? Now that I'd like to see and compare to Redcode 42 in a color correction suite... How about a DI for that matter!

These are exciting days. I'm sure many of you view me as a anti-Red, film purist blow-hard here... In all actuality, nothing could be further from the truth. I'm excited by the new developments that these cameras stand to bring to my work. I simply wish to best understand how to use these tools and likewise, expect them to perform as promised when tasked on productions. Red has come a long way and I'm sure all the team has learned a lot in the process.

Perhaps beta testing in the market has to some degree tarnished the Red One's reputation. In talking with many people at the Arri function, the overall sentiment about the R1 was that all the previous versions (with the original sensor and all of the various builds) were ALL beta and that the M-X R1 with build 30 is the first TRUE representation of the camera... and I think I agree with that. Now with the Epic, I think the entire community stands to benefit from the growing pains and learning curve of that this extended Beta test has gleaned.

EPIC is where I'm going to put my faith in RDC as a force to reckon with.
 
So when will the 3 winners be receiving their free Epic? ^_^ Good stuff! Take it easy on ARRI will ya?
 
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Christopher Probst said:
These are exciting days. I'm sure many of you view me as a anti-Red, film purist blow-hard here... In all actuality, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Christopher, I think that your postings bring great value to this forum and I would like to thank you for that.

And I totally agree with you that these are very exciting times.

Mike
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I hope everyone has duly noted that it was stated earlier in the thread that the CF module shown does not have dual slots. If I am not mistaken, the side module (shown) has a single slot while the rear module will have two. Just an FYI to remember as people seem to be assuming two slots in this module.

[EDIT: Damn, I can't find the post. Well, that's what I THOUGHT I read. Can anyone else clear this up?]
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I definitely read that (one slot in the side CF module) somewhere too.....but likewise, can't find it.

Wait, here it is, from a different thread...

1 slot on the side CF module, on the rear CF module 2 slots.[/QUOTE]"]
Jarred Land said:
1 slot on the side CF module, on the rear CF module 2 slots.
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GLap said:
I definitely read that somewhere too.....but likewise, can't find it.
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If you look at this picture you can see that there is only ONE compact flash slot in the side mounted module. The confusion stems from one of the front 3/4 views showing the new CF eject button just above the card making it appear to have two cards popping out.

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1270435915.jpg
 
Christopher Probst said:
...Perhaps beta testing in the market has to some degree tarnished the Red One's reputation. In talking with many people at the Arri function, the overall sentiment about the R1 was that all the previous versions (with the original sensor and all of the various builds) were ALL beta and that the M-X R1 with build 30 is the first TRUE representation of the camera... and I think I agree with that...
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You're right, but to be fair, that was spelled out by RED themselves in detail and many times, so no one can really say they didn't have warning they were dealing with a work in progress.
 
Try explaining that to producers. With that defense, liability wise no production should have been shot on a non-released platform. Which is my point... Publically working through growing pains has burned some and scared others away from using the system. Ironically I was interviewing for an NBC project recently and was told flat out that Red was not an option, as a blanket policy of Universal. It's ironic because the Red was actually my first choice for that particular job.
 
Other than the RED certification, what will be the specification differences between the new RED 64GB card and these SanDisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UDMA 6 64GB CF cards? I'm assuming the cost will be $1,200 to $1,500 for the RED 64GB cards if these retail for $699. Is that far off? I know RED media is a lot more reliable because of their processes and testing so not trying to compare apples to apples here, just asking.

http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-SanDisk-Pro-CompactFlash-SDCFXP-064G-A91/dp/B002P3FQT0
 
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