7" Red Touch - extreme difficulty in focusing

[Paul Russell]

Hi

This is not so much a complaint as a feature request.

I upgraded to the 7" Red Touch, but have found that focusing on it is extremely difficult. This is because the magnify toggle goes to 'actual pixels', which works fine on the the low res 5" monitor, but is not enough magnification for the HD resolution 7".

So would it be possible to add an extra stage of magnification specifically for the 7" monitor, please?

 

[Chad Lancaster]

do you use the focus tools? Those help a lot

 

[Martin Stevens]

What is need is more than 1:1 pixel mapping. 2X and 4X zoom needed.

 

[Bob Gundu]

That's why I shoot like this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/-wX0ZEm4Xz/?taken-by=bobgundu
https://www.instagram.com/p/9JwDaZm4Ro/?taken-by=bobgundu

 

[Nick Morrison]

Very cool Bob.

 

[Paul Russell]

do you use the focus tools? Those help a lot

I find the focus tools to be slightly inaccurate, and I'm on manual focus primes all the time so never use the AF.

As Martin has said above, what we need for the 7" monitor is 2x and 4x pixel mapping.

 

[Tommaso Alvisi]

What is need is more than 1:1 pixel mapping. 2X and 4X zoom needed.

YEAH ! ! ! ! ! !

That's why I shoot like this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/-wX0ZEm4Xz/?taken-by=bobgundu
https://www.instagram.com/p/9JwDaZm4Ro/?taken-by=bobgundu

Ha!

Bob, I have the same setup!

 

[Michael Tiemann]

I find the focus tools to be slightly inaccurate, and I'm on manual focus primes all the time so never use the AF.

As Martin has said above, what we need for the 7" monitor is 2x and 4x pixel mapping.

YES! The older I get, the more I need this. Please, RED, help us obsolete the obsolescence of our own eyes by implementing a magnified focus output we can use while recording.

 

[Ulf Krentz]

That's why I shoot like this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/-wX0ZEm4Xz/?taken-by=bobgundu
https://www.instagram.com/p/9JwDaZm4Ro/?taken-by=bobgundu

Bob, this is looking very tempting. How does it work? The zoom function is provided by the SmallHD? Connected via HDMI, SDI?
Can you share some details? Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Ulf

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm confused here I guess... How would going to 2X or 4X pixel mapping help in any way? 1:1 is pretty much as accurate as you're going to see anything. Enlarging past that is just giving us a smaller crop of the image to inspect and not providing any more detail or information.

How are the focus tools inaccurate? Do they not match up with your measurements and lens markings or is what is reported as being in focus not actually in focus?

YES! The older I get, the more I need this. Please, RED, help us obsolete the obsolescence of our own eyes by implementing a magnified focus output we can use while recording.

Yeah I thought this might be what you guys were getting at.... I suppose my eyes haven't deteriorated to that point just yet. But yeah, I hear ya. I can definitely see my eyes are nowhere near as good as they used to be, but still 20/20 at my last eye exam so there's nothing they can do for me, I just have to exist as a mere optical mortal now.

 

[Bob Gundu]

Bob, this is looking very tempting. How does it work? The zoom function is provided by the SmallHD? Connected via HDMI, SDI?
Can you share some details? Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Ulf

Yeah just through SDI or HDMI. The focus peaking on the SmallHD is very precise so I usually set it to 2. The SmallHD can magnify 2x or 4x and can pan around via joystick. This is great for while recording as you can't do this on the touch

https://www.instagram.com/p/4hS07bG4cA/?taken-by=bobgundu

 

[Martin Stevens]

I'm confused here I guess... How would going to 2X or 4X pixel mapping help in any way?

As an example, if your Red monitor is native 1920 pixels wide and you are shooting prores etc. also at 1920 pixels wide, then having
a 2x and 4x zoom in will help you see better for focusing, much like a magnifying loupe used in a darkroom.

 

[Carl Epstein]

I will take my 7 inch monitor to CVS and try on different reading glasses until if find the perfect 7 inch Red glasses.

 

[Paul Russell]

I'm confused here I guess... How would going to 2X or 4X pixel mapping help in any way? 1:1 is pretty much as accurate as you're going to see anything. Enlarging past that is just giving us a smaller crop of the image to inspect and not providing any more detail or information.

How are the focus tools inaccurate? Do they not match up with your measurements and lens markings or is what is reported as being in focus not actually in focus?

the original 5" inch at 1:1 pixels is a much larger image than 1:1 on the 7" screen. So it's much easier to see when you're in critical focus.
This is especially prevalent when you're using a 35mm lens at something like F1.4 or f2, and focusing on something 20ft away. I suggest that you try it and you'll see immediately what I mean.

The focus tools seem to be slightly out for me. The big square goes yellow when the focus isn't quite there.

I can't run two monitors on a Ronin.

 

[Hugh Scully]

I run two when I need to follow focus. Mine is the TVLogic 5.6 which allows FA in Red. That makes all the difference to me. I'd ask for that on the 7" monitor - to enable the focus assist to be Red as well as White. If that were there I think I'd only use the second monitor for an AC.