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Hello sorry if this has been confirmed, but I can't find the info anywhere. Will this camera have 4K60?
 
The question that still remains is If it could do 50fps at 5k.
 
I am crossing my fingers and praying to the RED Gods for 72 fps at 4.5k WS.
 
Tomasz Nizielski said:
it doesn't sound good, no slowmotion when you use the whole sensor... Pocket 6K offers more...
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Tomasz,

I have to admit, it initially bothered me, too, that Komodo won't deliver 50 or 60 fps at full resolution, but you just have to be aware
that this camera was intended from the beginning as a "cheap" or let's say "affordable" complementary camera for the DSMC2 lineup for action scenes.
(and I assume it's rather about faster played back action scenes than slo-mo, therefore 40 fps at 6k FF (and global shutter) are completely sufficient)
A camera that fits into the DSMC2 family in terms of quality and for which it's not that bad if it breaks - to keep production costs low. That's all.
If you need more fps, you still have the option to rent a DSMC2 (not to mention a phantom), buy a used RED, or if you have the money and will to invest in a "new" DSMC2 system, do so;
or if you're not in a hurry, you can wait for DSMC3 (which will hopefully offer at least 480/500 fps at 2k wide);
or if it doesn't have to be a RED: Maybe the Mavo Edge towards the end of 2020? In the current specification, at least, you get the same fps as a DSMC2 ...
The question is whether the readout speed of the sensor will be further improved than it is now in the Mavo LF (admittedly, Mavo LF is great compared to TERRA),
and whether ProRes RAW really isn't too resource hungry. According to Apple's description, ProRes RAW requires less resources than Redcode RAW ...(I'm curious if this is true)
(by the way, I guess the biggest disadvantage of Kinefinity will be the lack of support and the much smaller and more inexperienced user community)
Anyway, since the economy is going to be paralyzed for quite a while, I'd suggest to wait and decide on a system, when there are enough "new" options to compare.
...who knows how this corona situation turns out...global economy recovery could take several years if the unemployment in the US and abroad rises up to 25 % or even more?!..
let's hope not...(greetings to the 1930s) :puke:
 
Tomasz Nizielski said:
it doesn't sound good, no slowmotion when you use the whole sensor... Pocket 6K offers more...
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For FPS at 6k, it sounds like it does. It all comes down what you are using it for. (Like any tool.)

Things to remember:

-The choice is between Global Shutter and Rolling shutter.
-Komodo's 6K and 5.5K resolution is a larger size sensor area than the BMPCC 6K's. 5k mode is slightly smaller. (I have no idea what the Frame Rate at 5K will be. 48-50 most likely.)
-6K WS you will be able to shoot at 50 fps. I suspect they most likely will be able to get 60fps out of 5K WS.

Here's Phil's sensor compare tool to compare sensor sizes. Heres both the full sensor sizes:

http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare...&modelB=Pocket+CC+6K&formatB=6K&focalLengths=



This is comparing Komodo's 6K WS to BMPCC full sensor.

http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare...&modelB=Pocket+CC+6K&formatB=6K&focalLengths=
 
Really a bummer that there's no 50/60 at fuil res, but this camera has so many great features it's difficult to pass up fully. Definitely makes me hesitate however.
 
Just remember, global shutter isn't even available in other other cameras in this price point. Then there is 16-bit color vs 12-bit / 10-bit (z-cam, kinefinity, BM, Canon, Sony, etc.). There is also the fact that Redcode RAW internal recording to cheap media is going to happen for the first time ever. Less heat/power draw out of the new sensor, body (apparently weatherproofed), and fan design which is a much welcomed improvement to the RED ecosystem. The fact that it takes tiny and easy to carry batteries for the first time ever and I'm sure v-mount and gold mount options will be available through a cleanly designed module as well, maybe even with wireless video transmission built in. To build out a BMP6k correctly you are throwing a v-mount through d-tap off the back on rails and will also need to hang a Samsung T5 SSD and 5-7" monitor off of it, so realistically a pocket rig "built" with media and batteries is still in the (5k-7k price range). That's another area where Komodo shines as it is essentially a mini-modular RED build with everything immediately plug and play the way a professional camera should be. There are many things that make this camera a league up on most of the competitors in this price range despite its frame rates. Image Quality, size/modularity/toughness, and price point were RED's goals with this camera. For interviews, action work, storytelling/docs, corporate, and even most gimbal/drone work, 40-60fps between 4k-6k resolution is fine and I think RED's mindset here was to keep a build under 10k realistically and to offer this camera to a market where a RED camera and its image quality was unachievable before. For a B/C-cam, crash cam, dedicated gimbal/drone, action cam, 3D, etc. (the areas where existing DSMC2 owners would purchase and place this camera) it is also perfectly aligned with demands for price point. If you need 4-5k resolution at 120fps on a project with with high image fidelity you go with Gemini or Monstro and if you can't afford one you rent and if you need more than that you rent a Phantom. When you start asking for 4k/120, 5k/60, 6k/60 etc. in Redcode Raw internal recording you are getting into DSMC2 territory which can stilll be achieved by purchasing a used Scarlet-W build for a few dollars more and then you are in the DSMC upgrade path (another reason for higher price). Komodo has its place and I think RED knows exactly what they are doing with what the camera should offer and how it will be priced into their ecosystem. We can't ask for everything unfortunately at least not until DSMC3 :-)
 
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