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4K in USA household by 2106 ONLY 1% a very sobering FACT

By 2106 I really hope I'll have 4k distribution to my apartment :p
 
"The 4K first date" I like that Phill, funny thing is that I have been shooting 4K since 2008 and sit
on a huge bank of 4K Natural History Footage, but all the time still output stuff for clients in 1080.

My date with 4K never seems to end except I have not met the my 4K girl.

I have a Nexus Android for the last two years which displays 2K and a LG 4K monitor in the studio.

I still fell again for a new 4K girl a LG G3 phone with Quad Display or 2K and a video in 4K.

Just addicted I guess to a girlfriend without an outlet. :w00t:

Saw Hilarious Parody on youtube on Red Cameras just laughed my head off.

https://youtu.be/lxtN7aD6iTI

Its good to not take everything so seriously but then I will still try to get another
4K date.

4K Addiction
:party:

Yusuf Thakur
VFX, Dubai
 
My crystal ball says: in 2020 most folks will watch 1080 on 4k screens, just like most folks see 720 (or worse) on HD screens in 2015.

And while at it:
The only way to see 4k on a 4k screen is to feed it uncompressed 4k.
Any compression in the game and 4k image information goes out of the window.
 
Doug Beatty said:
I did an A/B test of 4K vs 1080p, and 4K sets start to make sense at 70" and above unless you watch from within 3 feet or need a ton of desktop real estate on your computer. A 4K Tablet is unnecessary.
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Or glasses :)

Yeah, 70 inch+, but depends on your feilld of view and eyesight. When I get going and my eyesight recovers I can see between the pixels on a vmax cinema screen, pretty incredible. 8k is probably going to be a bit better for say, 10% of the adult population.
 
Ha, no bluray 4k included, elitest.
 
But seriously, why do these guys always want to lock us out of optical disc content to watch poor you pay they keep streamed rubbish. I would buy a bluray over this console for an extra $70 (the price of a whole cheap br player) hands down with 4 dtv tuners for recording on your own supplied drive I would pay $100 extra instead. Its unrealistic. The other thing is indfustry could use java in bluray and beef up performance to compete with consoles. Android and consoles are unessacary. But Yusuf, you are right, its a pretty cool console.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Ha, no bluray 4k included, elitest.
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4K BluRay is a non-starter... a still born product of grey haired engineers who cling to the notion of physical media and traditional 'ownership' of said physical media. At best it will become a niche product owned by people who like to crow about how they have the best and the rest of the population is missing out... as they rewind their reel to reel tape deck to listen to a freeform jazz performance for the umpteenth time.

Just my opinion of course - but the reality is this: there is no place in North America to rent physical media anymore. When I say 'no place' I mean that there is no-where that is convenient for the average suburban household to stop off and rent a movie while doing their weekly grocery shopping. Within a 15 Km radius of my house - none exist; and I live in the 5th most populated city in North America. That barrier of convenience means that people will be unwilling to purchase a new box, for fear of A) not being able to rent movies, and B) it will be obsolete / leapfrogged before they get it set up. Most people are going to move to streaming VOD & OTT services.
 
My 4K relationship is similar ;)

My old girlfriend, the RED, got too heavy for me ( I do mostly 3rd world run n gun trips and have back problems recently ), so I locked her in a room and now have a new relationship with this cheap 4K whore called GH4 , and her little sister LX100. They weight as much as heroin addict, I like that look. They 'put out' about the same as the fat date RED, which really amazed me, because their 'bio sheets' sheets would say otherwise. The proof is on the TV set .
It's hard for RED's mommy to deal with these tramps. Panasonic pimps 5000 GH4 units a month. A lot of men here wouldn't be caught dead with such low cost sluts. It's not a long term relationship however. The moment I see a hotter date in Vegas or some other seedy place, I'll dump here in a second ( even in a trash dumpster, she is so cheap! ) and try the new one.

Yusuf Thakur said:
"The 4K first date" I like that Phill, funny thing is that I have been shooting 4K since 2008 and sit
on a huge bank of 4K Natural History Footage, but all the time still output stuff for clients in 1080.

My date with 4K never seems to end except I have not met the my 4K girl.

I have a Nexus Android for the last two years which displays 2K and a LG 4K monitor in the studio.

I still fell again for a new 4K girl a LG G3 phone with Quad Display or 2K and a video in 4K.

Just addicted I guess to a girlfriend without an outlet. :w00t:

Saw Hilarious Parody on youtube on Red Cameras just laughed my head off.

https://youtu.be/lxtN7aD6iTI

Its good to not take everything so seriously but then I will still try to get another
4K date.

4K Addiction
:party:

Yusuf Thakur
VFX, Dubai
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Frank Glencairn said:
And while at it:
The only way to see 4k on a 4k screen is to feed it uncompressed 4k.
Any compression in the game and 4k image information goes out of the window.
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I am not sure how you can say that when everything you shoot with a RED camera is compressed. Good compression at pint of delivery may not be the best now but that doesn't mean that it, also, can improve. RED has proven that with REDRay.
 
I agree with Glen, the universe has moved away from physical media. Which means that 4K delivery will have to hurdle over the signal degrading multiple compression and decompression schemes of digital TV. Also, providers are probably still hashing out how best to fleece the consumer for higher quality delivery.

I think the physical media of Blu ray and the higher quality DVD compression gave the HD TV market a really big push for adoption of 1080/720 as a viewing standard.

I guess my general question from a consumer standpoint would be is HD to 4K the same jump as SD to HD? Are consumers as enamored with 4K as they were with HD back in the day? Also, I think console gaming played into the matrix of HD Tv sales.
 
Les Dittert said:
My 4K relationship is similar ;)

My old girlfriend, the RED, got too heavy for me ( I do mostly 3rd world run n gun trips and have back problems recently ), so I locked her in a room and now have a new relationship with this cheap 4K whore called GH4 , and her little sister LX100. They weight as much as heroin addict, I like that look. They 'put out' about the same as the fat date RED, which really amazed me, because their 'bio sheets' sheets would say otherwise. The proof is on the TV set .
It's hard for RED's mommy to deal with these tramps. Panasonic pimps 5000 GH4 units a month. A lot of men here wouldn't be caught dead with such low cost sluts. It's not a long term relationship however. The moment I see a hotter date in Vegas or some other seedy place, I'll dump here in a second ( even in a trash dumpster, she is so cheap! ) and try the new one.
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We might disagree Les, but we agree a lot. It is fashion victims all over again and again repeatedly, the king has no cloths so to speak. Streaming is great, standard definition is great, tapes are great, why "would" you wasn't more, but it is a deadended BS. Own the rubbish compressed file today, buy the betterment in x years time, if we go broke by then leaving you wityh no media, through an incompetent business model, or start using ads, tough luck.

The other thing is it is a sign of businesses that don't want to listen. No bluray for those that want to own, no smaller easier to use camera for everybody else, but no big elitest streamimg and cinema cameras are the fashion that pretend to have the cloths.

Glen Powell said:
4K BluRay is a non-starter... a still born product of grey haired engineers who cling to the notion of physical media and traditional 'ownership' of said physical media. At best it will become a niche product owned by people who like to crow about how they have the best and the rest of the population is missing out... as they rewind their reel to reel tape deck to listen to a freeform jazz performance for the umpteenth time.

Just my opinion of course - but the reality is this: there is no place in North America to rent physical media anymore. When I say 'no place' I mean that there is no-where that is convenient for the average suburban household to stop off and rent a movie while doing their weekly grocery shopping. Within a 15 Km radius of my house - none exist; and I live in the 5th most populated city in North America. That barrier of convenience means that people will be unwilling to purchase a new box, for fear of A) not being able to rent movies, and B) it will be obsolete / leapfrogged before they get it set up. Most people are going to move to streaming VOD & OTT services.
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Who is talking about renting, Glen, I go and buy DVDs and blurays of the best movies and TV series I like for down to $6-$10 bluray. I have those to show visitors and family into the future and can store backups, a lot cheaper than a service for the rest of my life.

I'd also rather have freeform jazz on a multi channel lossless recording on DVD or bluray, and even with a visual recording of the performance, rather than on tape. Why give people money for being wasteful giving second date rubbish you have to be codependant on for the rest of your life so they can extort money from you. Sure high quality streaming might be all right fgir renting, but not ownership in the way they do it.

I must admit though, the capacity and data rates of 4k bluray are less than desirable, but a cheap implementation, so to speak, but for programs recvirded in SD 720p and 1080p they should have more than enough capacity. Its like a Bluray edition of my black and white Hello Lucy TV series would look great (stop laughing Less :) )

M.Halsell said:
I agree with Glen, the universe has moved away from physical media. Which means that 4K delivery will have to hurdle over the signal degrading multiple compression and decompression schemes of digital TV. Also, providers are probably still hashing out how best to fleece the consumer for higher quality delivery.

I think the physical media of Blu ray and the higher quality DVD compression gave the HD TV market a really big push for adoption of 1080/720 as a viewing standard.

I guess my general question from a consumer standpoint would be is HD to 4K the same jump as SD to HD? Are consumers as enamored with 4K as they were with HD back in the day? Also, I think console gaming played into the matrix of HD Tv sales.
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Depends on the TV and the console. If it is a big vision filling set with wide color support and you have a descent future console that can pump out descent 4k graphics, and you have descent eyesight, you should notice the difference. But except for color, it probably wony be as much as SD to fullhd.
 
Frank Glencairn said:
My crystal ball says: in 2020 most folks will watch 1080 on 4k screens, just like most folks see 720 (or worse) on HD screens in 2015.
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My fear is that more and more people will be watching our work on lousy smartphones and computer displays. It's sad to me that as the quality of digital images goes up, average people seem to want to go out and buy the cheapest possible displays for home use. 4K has no meaning when it's a bad flat panel display, completely misadjusted, with terrible gamma and black settings and colors that are out the window.
 
Marc Wielage said:
My fear is that more and more people will be watching our work on lousy smartphones and computer displays. It's sad to me that as the quality of digital images goes up, average people seem to want to go out and buy the cheapest possible displays for home use. 4K has no meaning when it's a bad flat panel display, completely misadjusted, with terrible gamma and black settings and colors that are out the window.
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I watch 80% of my content on lowly pixel devices, phone, tablet, laptop, computer monitor. If my home is like is like others. 1 expensive TV set to share vs multiple personal devices for the family. Most of the time the personal devices log more viewing time.
 
Informally, my observation is that outside the industry, the 4K buzz is not yet coffee table fodder. My friends and family routinely compare, share, and collect information about their personal technology. But I have yet to see the conversational spillover in the beyond 1080p discussion. Whenever a group gets together at the house I insist on showing 4k on my Sony for bragging rights and justification of my purchase. It definitely generates a good cross section of ooohs and aaahs. But afterwards, I rarely get the deep questions, mainly price. but thats about it. At least not yet, I dont get the sense that people are running out to get a 4K TV as a must have purchase. At least not yet as of March 19, 2015

Sidebar: I made more money in the industry when everything was SD and barely HD. Now its assbackards, got the great pixel quality with no definable way to upsale the client on the added resolution. Im finding HD was an easier sell than 4K and beyond is a the moment. Budget and schedules are not accomodating the new pixel paradigm. Not hating. Just saying.
 
Marc Wielage said:
It's sad to me that as the quality of digital images goes up, average people seem to want to go out and buy the cheapest possible displays for home use.
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It's similar for photography. How many people who use 36Mpx cameras print bigger than A4 or A3? Mind you in terms of colour, the Apple iOS devices are rather nice. Heck, if a lot of people are going to view TV on iPads, why not shoot in 16mm after all?

It would be great if one could buy a pre-calibrated TV. Or better still, have them all calibrated by default.
 
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