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2060 or 2575

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I saw there were a number of threads along these lines, but nothing really specifically addressing this question.

I'm trying to decide between an O'connor 2575 and a 2060.

I think I could swing either price wise, so that's not a concern.

We are used to running with relatively light tripods so that makes me lean towards the 2060, but I seem to quickly load up my rigs andthey wind up pushing the limit. My current HPX with Canon Zoom must be around 45lbs.

I also have an eye on rental. It always helps when someone takes some of my gear out for a day. I'd like to be able to offer the industry standard and have what visiting DPs to my area are looking for. On this point I lean towards the 2575.

On the other hand, it's not unusual for us to roll with a skeleton crew. I don't always have an AC and we do a bunch of doc stuff, but I have a lighter vinten that will probably do OK for a stripped down Red.

OK you probably get the picture. Thoughts?
 
I've used both for wildlife with long lenses. Found the 2575 marginally more sturdy and stable, but not enough to justify the weight. I really do think you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in use. If you don't have to carry it far, and can afford it go 2575, otherwise definitely 2060, it's really good.
Be careful however about the new 2060HD model, as it's very different from the original 2060 in that the fluid settings are incredibly weak, it seems only to have about 30% of the drag of the original. I found it basically unuseable. O'Connor have responded to several complaints and can return it to the same spec as the original f.o.c. and can ship new ones with the old fluid settings too. I'm not exaggerating about the drop in fluid power, setting 9 (max) on the HD model felt to me about the same drag level as 3 on the old one!
Otherwise great heads.
Steve
 
Steve Phillipps said:
I've used both for wildlife with long lenses. Found the 2575 marginally more sturdy and stable, but not enough to justify the weight. I really do think you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in use. If you don't have to carry it far, and can afford it go 2575, otherwise definitely 2060, it's really good.
Be careful however about the new 2060HD model, as it's very different from the original 2060 in that the fluid settings are incredibly weak, it seems only to have about 30% of the drag of the original. I found it basically unuseable. O'Connor have responded to several complaints and can return it to the same spec as the original f.o.c. and can ship new ones with the old fluid settings too. I'm not exaggerating about the drop in fluid power, setting 9 (max) on the HD model felt to me about the same drag level as 3 on the old one!
Otherwise great heads.
Steve
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Ok, this explains alot. I was initially disappointed with my 2060. I will call OConnor immediatly.
 
DorkmanScott,
It's probably not correct to say "properly", they've just set them up differently, and some may be quite happy with the new version (can't imagine who though!) If you've not taken delivery yet you can get O'Connor to ship it with the old settings, otherwise I was told theat you could return it. However, it is worth seeing one with the new settings in case you like it - though, again I doubt anybody would.

An email from O'Connor to me:-
The 2060HD Fluid drag was “lightened” as compared to the 2060. We had many comments from 2060 users that the light end of the fluid drag was too heavy. To correct this we made the fluid drag lighter by modifying the fluid drag sectors. This mod also makes the heavy end of the fluid adjustment lighter. The best way to resolve this for your application would be to earmark a 2060HD as it is being assembled and make the drag as it was in the 2060. It is a matter of how many sectors are installed the fluid drag section. We can modify an existing head but it would be easier to do this as the head is being built.


Steve
 
Wow, I was planning on purchasing a 2060HD! Thanks for the info. I would never have found this info othervise. Thanks alot!
 
This is also true of the 1030HDS, I have an original 1030S and it's so much more dampened it's silly.

The only reason IMHO to go with a 2575 is to impress rental clients. There is no operational difference between the two with a Red. Even using a 24-290 Optimo.
 
Steve Phillipps said:
I've used both for wildlife with long lenses. Found the 2575 marginally more sturdy and stable, but not enough to justify the weight. I really do think you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in use. If you don't have to carry it far, and can afford it go 2575, otherwise definitely 2060, it's really good.
Be careful however about the new 2060HD model, as it's very different from the original 2060 in that the fluid settings are incredibly weak, it seems only to have about 30% of the drag of the original. I found it basically unuseable. O'Connor have responded to several complaints and can return it to the same spec as the original f.o.c. and can ship new ones with the old fluid settings too. I'm not exaggerating about the drop in fluid power, setting 9 (max) on the HD model felt to me about the same drag level as 3 on the old one!
Otherwise great heads.
Steve
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This explains a lot. I was told under no circumstances to consider 2060HD, so I went for a Ronford Baker F2004. I never understood why since so many Red users were going for the O'connor. Now I know. I agree though, the 2575 is a great head.
 
Don't let it put you off though, as long as O'Connor can put it back to the original spec of the 2060 it's a world-beater. And they say they can and will for free, and I've quizzed them deeply and they assure me that the damping will be EXACTLY the same as the original, and that counterbalance etc. is unchanged. So it'll be the same head but black!
Steve
 
Evin Grant said:
This is also true of the 1030HDS, I have an original 1030S and it's so much more dampened it's silly.

The only reason IMHO to go with a 2575 is to impress rental clients. There is no operational difference between the two with a Red. Even using a 24-290 Optimo.
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no operational difference at all...its all about how much weight though. A full Red and Optimo is at the very top end of what the 2060 can handle.
 
Have you tried it Greg, or just going by spec? Most head specs tend to be pretty conservative in my experience.
Must confess I haven't tried it myself though.
Steve
 
Steve Phillipps said:
Have you tried it Greg, or just going by spec? Most head specs tend to be pretty conservative in my experience.
Must confess I haven't tried it myself though.
Steve
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I spoke to OConnor techs at length about this. I actually started a thread long ago. He quoted me the optimal weight range (I posted those numbers) and the 2060 was a better fit for the red. The optimal range was much narrower than the specs listed though. I dont recall the actual numbers, you might search for the original thread. Bottom line was the 2575 was too much head for the Red in most applications because it didnt weigh enough to fall within that optimal range.

BTW- I use a 2575 all the time on a 435...never actually put the Red on it though. When I got my 2060 I was a bit disappointed in the fluid movement, but your post now explains why.
 
Not sure about this "optimal range" thing, I have heard reference to it before. As far as I'm aware, and from what I've used, as long as the kit's heavy enough that minimum counterbalance is too strong, and not so heavy that strongest counterbalance won't hold it then it'll be OK.
I really did like the 2575 when I used it a couple of times, but the original 2060 (and modified HD!) seems more or less identical but a whole lot lighter!
Steve
 
If you're familiar with the 2575 head, here's the comparison: you'll get the same drag with the 2060hd as with the 2575 up to the level 6 setting. Put differently: you'll have about 70% of the drag of a 2575.

We'll be getting our 2060 shortly, so we'll see. I'm really excited about this head, I really think this is the one to get if you're after the best of both worlds - heavy duty work and lightweight solution. Sort of lightweight anyway... :)
 
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