2 Months is relative

[Subhadip Sen]

Terry - I am confident that a crowd will get wooed by the HDDSLRs, the new Panasonic, or whatever Sony comes up with. Judging by the unprecedented adoption of HDSLRs - there are actual professionals who are picking if over a good HD camera - there will always be a crowed wooed by the "sensor size" - that is the apparent major criteria for a surprising amount of people. The likes of Panasonic and Sony will no doubt capitalize on this marketing point.

And then you have the casual crowd. They wouldn't even know what a Scarlet is. Sony and Panasonic have created a strong brand image - and it will continue to get brand loyalty from these people. You would be surprised how many wealthy people use EX1s and HVX-200s for home videos just because the smaller consumer camcorders feel too cheap.

The Scarlet will have hefty adoption over the so called "geek" crowd who do their homework and research - and importantly, are internet friendly.

 

[Jeremy_Sawatzky]

Personally and selfishly, I sort of hope a bunch of people do get wooed away by Panasonic and Sony. I am not saying that would be immediately good for RED because they will sell fewer cameras up front. However, RED is the kind of company I want to deal with and lower demand means I get my Scarlet sooner. Meanwhile, as my camera modules are more and more advanced, my firmware is continuously updated for greater capability and maybe I even have a chance to upgrade my sensor, all those Sony and Panny owners are having to buy new cameras. I might guess their loyalty to those companies and satisfaction with their cameras will fade and many might become RED customers eventually. Just my thoughts.

I couldnt agree more. There is going to be this mass amount off ppl that learn about this camera when its just released and be like "oh thats cool il get one to film my sons soccer games" lol. I know this is entirely selfish and silly of me but I dont want a bunch of rich uneducated ppl picking up this camera cause its the newest kid on the block. I hope Sony and Panasonic release a couple cameras they claim are scarlet competition and i hope that silly market of uneducated ppl go out and buy them because they are new. As far as red goes i think they are the only company that actually is releasing a camera based on what ppl want. Sony and Panasonic will release dumbed down thrown together versions for probably triple the price tag and wont even come near to the quality, outstanding service and awsome user base ( yes i mean you reading this ) that red has to offer. Again i say this is incredibly selfish of me and red will REALY benifit from all those sales but hey- i want to feel elite without spending 50k. rant over.

 

[David Rasberry]

It takes a pretty serious well off hobbyist to buy a $5k+ camera for casual home movies. Even in this prosumer price range most will expect the camera to earn its keep.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

It takes a pretty serious well off hobbyist to buy a $5k+ camera for casual home movies. Even in this prosumer price range most will expect the camera to earn its keep.

I agree. But what I think will put off wealthy hobbyists even more than price is that you have to do quite a bit more thinking to buy and then use a Scarlet. Whereas you can pretty much just order an EX-1 and read the manual, a Scarlet requires that you decide what modules to buy and that means you have to have a sense of how you are going to use it. And when you realize that you have to make some decisions about how you will deal with editing and posting R3D files, you might just decide to stick with your HV-30 and iMovie! :001_huh:

 

[Andrew Rieger]

I agree. But what I think will put off wealthy hobbyists even more than price is that you have to do quite a bit more thinking to buy and then use a Scarlet. Whereas you can pretty much just order an EX-1 and read the manual, a Scarlet requires that you decide what modules to buy and that means you have to have a sense of how you are going to use it. And when you realize that you have to make some decisions about how you will deal with editing and posting R3D files, you might just decide to stick with your HV-30 and iMovie! :001_huh:

As much as reduser's will not want to admit it, red in it's current state is not friendly for those not on the higher end of video production. I could not imagine jumping from an HV30 to Red. Scarlet will ease the transition but keep in mind that the Scarlet is a lower cost Red One. HDV and DSLR users will be lost when they go scarlet, the concept of raw shooting is very confusing to those who have never used red. I have spent months and months on this site, even before I was a member and I still find many things to be very confusing. What will be needed is a good Scarlet for beginners book or DVD that explains every aspect of the camera from mounting lenses, to loading firmware updates, to importing footage to adding accessories to working with the footage in post. Red is so different from other systems that there will need to be plenty of training literature to get others up to speed. It will be a piece of cake for current red users but those who have never touched a Red One or its footage in post will certainly be lost.

 

[Norman B. Miller]

As much as reduser's will not want to admit it, red in it's current state is not friendly for those not on the higher end of video production. I could not imagine jumping from an HV30 to Red. Scarlet will ease the transition but keep in mind that the Scarlet is a lower cost Red One. HDV and DSLR users will be lost when they go scarlet, the concept of raw shooting is very confusing to those who have never used red. I have spent months and months on this site, even before I was a member and I still find many things to be very confusing. What will be needed is a good Scarlet for beginners book or DVD that explains every aspect of the camera from mounting lenses, to loading firmware updates, to importing footage to adding accessories to working with the footage in post. Red is so different from other systems that there will need to be plenty of training literature to get others up to speed. It will be a piece of cake for current red users but those who have never touched a Red One or its footage in post will certainly be lost.

I sure agree with you Andrew. I have been following the site almost from its beginning and there are still areas where I have allot of questions. It would be great if they could get lynda.com to handle a complete course on Scarlet the way you are suggesting.....

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

There is a DVD on the way that will answer most if not all your questions! Never fear!

However I would suggest, if you do not know RED at all, START with the RED101... It's the foundation that EPIC and SCARLET are based on.

Jay

 

[David Rasberry]

As much as reduser's will not want to admit it, red in it's current state is not friendly for those not on the higher end of video production. I could not imagine jumping from an HV30 to Red. Scarlet will ease the transition but keep in mind that the Scarlet is a lower cost Red One. HDV and DSLR users will be lost when they go scarlet, the concept of raw shooting is very confusing to those who have never used red. I have spent months and months on this site, even before I was a member and I still find many things to be very confusing. What will be needed is a good Scarlet for beginners book or DVD that explains every aspect of the camera from mounting lenses, to loading firmware updates, to importing footage to adding accessories to working with the footage in post. Red is so different from other systems that there will need to be plenty of training literature to get others up to speed. It will be a piece of cake for current red users but those who have never touched a Red One or its footage in post will certainly be lost.

IMO the best practice to learn how to handle RED footage is to learn how to shoot and process RAW photos with a DSLR and also download Redcine-X and hunt up a few posted r3d clips to practice with. Very educational. Once you get to the NLE stage it will be just like editing anything else, though you will need lots of disk storage space and a fast computer to be efficient.

 

[Andrew Rieger]

IMO the best practice to learn how to handle RED footage is to learn how to shoot and process RAW photos with a DSLR and also download Redcine-X and hunt up a few posted r3d clips to practice with. Very educational. Once you get to the NLE stage it will be just like editing anything else, though you will need lots of disk storage space and a fast computer to be efficient.

I have learned through reading the manual, reading forum posts, purchasing the red book and as you stated, downloading redcine x and playing with r3d's. I have also shot raw for stills but lets face it for someone who buys a scarlet without doing these things, the red method of shooting and editing is very alien. There should be a Scarlet book (i'm sure there will be, look at all the 7d books and dvd's that have come out). We must remember that members of reduser do not represent all potential scarlet customers.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

As much as reduser's will not want to admit it, red in it's current state is not friendly for those not on the higher end of video production. I could not imagine jumping from an HV30 to Red. Scarlet will ease the transition but keep in mind that the Scarlet is a lower cost Red One. HDV and DSLR users will be lost when they go scarlet, the concept of raw shooting is very confusing to those who have never used red. I have spent months and months on this site, even before I was a member and I still find many things to be very confusing. What will be needed is a good Scarlet for beginners book or DVD that explains every aspect of the camera from mounting lenses, to loading firmware updates, to importing footage to adding accessories to working with the footage in post. Red is so different from other systems that there will need to be plenty of training literature to get others up to speed. It will be a piece of cake for current red users but those who have never touched a Red One or its footage in post will certainly be lost.

I wanted to chime in that I agree with this post. Sadly I find that even training Videos and Books tend to speak a few miles over the head of the average beginner. When I created RED101 we took special care to keep "techie" terms to a minimum. When they were used, they were explained clearly. Our approach to the RED ONE was to speak to someone that had NEVER seen or heard of the camera before. It turns out this was successful. We will be doing that again for the EPIC / SCARLET DVDs when they come out.

Jay

 

[Mars Oliva]

2 months behind EPIC

They send out epic, get reviews, update epic & scarlet.
That's when it will be released.

At least this is what I heard from REDay and the Red class at NAB