2 Months is relative

[Sterling Wescott]

We were told Scarlet is two months behind.
Did anyone in vegas find out what 2 months actually means? Of course it means 2 months, but two months from what? Tattoo? Stage 2? Stage 3? Stage 4?
I hate to rehash the "When Is Scarlet Out" discussion. But I think this is a legitimate question.

 

[jimhare]

The best policy is to let the info wash over you, but don't try to make specific plans, you will only be disappointed if you do.

If I were to guess I would say Scarlett is somewhere between November and February sometime.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

We were told Scarlet is two months behind.
Did anyone in vegas find out what 2 months actually means? Of course it means 2 months, but two months from what? Tattoo? Stage 2? Stage 3? Stage 4?

I think they're talking about what stage of development it is in. Judging by the recon posts, Epic prototypes have only been working and shooting for between two weeks and a month. So perhaps Scarlet prototypes will start going somewhere from a month to a month and a half from now.

Joseph's estimate (posted in the 'will there ever be a Scarlet thread' sounds pretty likely to me:

Tattoo in May.

Stage 2 in June/July

Scarlet in August/September

Stage 3 around same time as Scarlet

Stage 4 November/December after M-X upgrades are finished

S35 Scarlet December/January[/I]

 

[Justin O'Neill]

Joseph's estimate (posted in the 'will there ever be a Scarlet thread' sounds pretty likely to me:

The numbers Joseph posted do not match up with what RED has been saying on here and what multiple RED people were saying at RED Day. We know they are aiming to start "Tattoo" by May and RED has stated many times that they want to get this right and will likely spend 2 - 3 months beta testing. That would put Epix-X stage 2 in July or August. The wording RED has used suggests Scarlet will be ready two months after stage 2 starts so likely Sep. or Oct.

Keep in mind this is all speculation and RED themselves can't know how the "Tattoo" beta test will go. It could be a lot shorter or way longer. I have not heard anyone at RED suggest stage 2 could start as early as June, however.

 

[Florian Stadler]

summer 2009

 

[Brad Webb]

summer 2009

Great Scott! You mean I have to invent a time machine to get a Scarlet?

Any one got some Plutonium, a DeLorean, and Michael J. Fox?

 

[NEIL ANDREW BATES]

Ask JJ. Jarred recently recounted an anecdote about Jim being a challenge to find unusual Christmas prezzies for so i wouldn't bet against it

 

[Subhadip Sen]

We don't really have a Stage-wise schedule for Scarlet. Considering the first Tattoos go out in May, it would mean the first production-worthy Scarlets will roll out in July. Beyond that, we don't really know if there will be a Tattoo-style testing period, or internal testing. We don't know if the Red One customers will get priority, etc. So, there are a lot of variables. But I am going to guess the first production release of the final Scarlet 2/3" is going to be about September-October. If that's a worldwide widespread release, all good and well. If not, then it will be the Red One owners getting the first priority. Do note that Scarlets will be mass produced, so there shouldn't be months lapsing in between. I think the Scarlet 2/3" will most definitely make 2010, barring major changes.

 

[Jim Retar]

I'm not sure they will roll out Scarlet while R1 owners are waiting for their stage 2/3 Epics... It doesn't seem in line with their philosophy of rewarding R1 buyers.

I think the everyman, who was out of the R1 loop will be waiting for some time yet.

Scarlet to be released the same day as Epic stage 4.... my guess... dec 10/ jan 11

 

[David Rasberry]

Jim has said the Scarlet program is running parallel to the Epic program on its own schedule and that it will ship when ready. Epic will not hold it up. It has been affected by the ASIC delay, but the fact that Epic prototypes are working and have been quietly used in the field for more than a month means they are past that stage. There is no reason for Epic roll out to delay the 2/3" Scarlet at all. There may be some delay for S35 as it shares the same sensor with Epic and I am sure they will devote the sensors to Epic until the initial rush is past. It is certainly not in Red's interest to delay Scarlet's release anymore than required to assure quality and reliability.

 

[NEIL ANDREW BATES]

If Scarlet and Epic were released on the same day I would be buying the scarlet because that's what i can afford. If I were a rental house or studio, I'd buy a dozen epics and think 'my god, what a steal'. I imagine an individuals budget will have far influence on which camera they decide to buy than when it's released.

 

[Nik Harper]

Jim has said the Scarlet program is running parallel to the Epic program on its own schedule and that it will ship when ready. Epic will not hold it up. It has been affected by the ASIC delay, but the fact that Epic prototypes are working and have been quietly used in the field for more than a month means they are past that stage. There is no reason for Epic roll out to delay the 2/3" Scarlet at all. There may be some delay for S35 as it shares the same sensor with Epic and I am sure they will devote the sensors to Epic until the initial rush is past. It is certainly not in Red's interest to delay Scarlet's release anymore than required to assure quality and reliability.

no one could have said it better haha

 

[J Davis]

Its seems reasonable to assume that the scarlet is a stripped down version of epic.
ie an epic with features missing for a lower price point

Now features that deal with throughput of information will be intrinsically tied to things like ASICs so it would also be reasonable to assume that the scarlets
will have a different ASIC to the epic but of a similar design.

My guess would be that a two month lag would be there to allow time for a new ASIC to be spun based on the design of the final epic ASIC

 

[Erik Franzén]

Also, remember that REMOVING complexity is always easier than ADDING. So dumbing down or removing features will be a lot easier than adding them.

However, as they've been run in parallel I am pretty sure they've already got everything planned for Scarlet. Just need a few months to run through the program, adjust, remove, add and finally bake

 

[Nik Harper]

Its seems reasonable to assume that the scarlet is a stripped down version of epic.
ie an epic with features missing for a lower price point

Now features that deal with throughput of information will be intrinsically tied to things like ASICs so it would also be reasonable to assume that the scarlets
will have a different ASIC to the epic but of a similar design.

My guess would be that a two month lag would be there to allow time for a new ASIC to be spun based on the design of the final epic ASIC

I remember a while ago, either Jim or Jarred said something about the biggest difference is high frame rates. Could be wrong though on the exact quote

 

[Michael Kontaxis]

We don't really have a Stage-wise schedule for Scarlet. Considering the first Tattoos go out in May, it would mean the first production-worthy Scarlets will roll out in July. Beyond that, we don't really know if there will be a Tattoo-style testing period, or internal testing. We don't know if the Red One customers will get priority, etc. So, there are a lot of variables. But I am going to guess the first production release of the final Scarlet 2/3" is going to be about September-October. If that's a worldwide widespread release, all good and well. If not, then it will be the Red One owners getting the first priority. Do note that Scarlets will be mass produced, so there shouldn't be months lapsing in between. I think the Scarlet 2/3" will most definitely make 2010, barring major changes.

I've been saving my money for a Scarlet for over a year now. If RED One customers, people who already have a RED in some form, get priority over customers who would be on the RED already, but can't afford anything more than a Scarlet, I will be extremely disappointed.

 

[Tim Whitcomb]

Ted has mentioned several times that production capacity has been increased and I remember hearing 7000 units a month. Which makes sense if Panasonic sold 240,000 HVX over two years.

Red one took almost 3 years to reach 7000 cameras - as Jim and Jarred has said over 1.7 billion times - they hav learned a lot-

Scarlet will be here - and in the meantime, have a table read and then rewrite your script . You can never stop improving your projects- nor ever have enough time to properly plan your shooting days -

cheers Scarleteers !

 

[Andrew Salter]

Pani and Sony are now coming into the game fast, aimed at the corporate indie market which world wise is far bigger than the movie market, in addition Pani an Sony have world wide distribution systems in place, red has none of these, Pani & Sony have many loyal customers from TV downwards. Scarlet has been promised for many release dates! as yet no camera, 2009/2010/2011!!! Pani and Sony will deliver but unless Scarlet hits the streets soon the others will absorb the scarlet market to a greater degree than expected and no way will scarlet sell in the numbers talk about on here. Don't get me wrong, l want a scarlet but now Pani and Sony are coming in to the mix, the games changing very fast.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Personally and selfishly, I sort of hope a bunch of people do get wooed away by Panasonic and Sony. I am not saying that would be immediately good for RED because they will sell fewer cameras up front. However, RED is the kind of company I want to deal with and lower demand means I get my Scarlet sooner. Meanwhile, as my camera modules are more and more advanced, my firmware is continuously updated for greater capability and maybe I even have a chance to upgrade my sensor, all those Sony and Panny owners are having to buy new cameras. I might guess their loyalty to those companies and satisfaction with their cameras will fade and many might become RED customers eventually. Just my thoughts.

 

[David Rasberry]

Pani and Sony are now coming into the game fast, aimed at the corporate indie market which world wise is far bigger than the movie market, in addition Pani an Sony have world wide distribution systems in place, red has none of these, Pani & Sony have many loyal customers from TV downwards. Scarlet has been promised for many release dates! as yet no camera, 2009/2010/2011!!! Pani and Sony will deliver but unless Scarlet hits the streets soon the others will absorb the scarlet market to a greater degree than expected and no way will scarlet sell in the numbers talk about on here. Don't get me wrong, l want a scarlet but now Pani and Sony are coming in to the mix, the games changing very fast.

So far is isn't changing too radically. Panasonic at least is still just producing an HD video camcorder.