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2/3" Fixed vs. 2/3" Cinema?

Thanks for your answers David.

I know this is getting off-topic for this thread, but what is a good resource for finding more information about low(er)-price 2/3" or 16mm lenses? I'm a still photographer so for me the lens world tops out at the Canon 50mm f/1.2, or the 24-70 f/2.8 that I use on the 5D mk. II. I don't obsess over MTF charts and I couldn't tell you how many line-pairs my lenses can resolve, but since I'm probably going to be investing in a Scarlet within 12 months of its release it'd probably be a good idea to start looking into this.

Are there $1,100 cinema lenses that will out-perform an $1,100 f/2.8 Canon 'L' lens that I already own? Do these tend to be older/vintage lenses or relatively newer stuff?

Sorry for all the questions, but thanks in advance for any answers. :)
 
I know this is getting off-topic for this thread, but what is a good resource for finding more information about low(er)-price 2/3" or 16mm lenses?
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A good starting point to see what some common 16mm lenses look like (on 16mm film) is here.
http://arri16s.com/FilmClips1.htm

I used to shoot a lot of 16mm for video, so this is a comfortable area for me. I will be using some lenses I already have plus some more that I have acquired, mostly from Ebay.

Are there $1,100 cinema lenses that will out-perform an $1,100 f/2.8 Canon 'L' lens that I already own? Do these tend to be older/vintage lenses or relatively newer stuff?
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Your Canon is one of the premium class lenses. On an S35 Scarlet it will perform very well, but 16mm-2/3" sized sensors need higher resolution to perform well. As such good 16mm glass is typically more expensive. You can get good vintage zooms like the Angenieux 12-120, 15-150, 10-150 models for prices ranging from about $200 to $1500 from Ebay sellers. In fully serviced near mint condition from a reputable dealer, prices run around $800-1200 for Angie 12-120 f2.2. the oldest of cine zoom designs. Vintage Zeiss 10-100mm zooms come in T3.3, T2.8, and T2 speeds with the newr faster ones being the most expensive. I just picked up a Cooke 9-50mm T2.5 model that is considered very top of the line for 16mm. This would be equivalent to about a 35-200mm zoom for 35mm. These price on the used market from about $1500-$5000. The newest version 9.5-53mm T1.6 sells for $42.5K from Cooke.
New super 16mm zooms are very expensive, starting at around $16k. However cine grade lenses typically offer more precise and robust mechanical construction than still lenses and especially with zooms, better performance. But not necessarily the cheapest way to go.
If you already have a selection of expensive premium grade 35mm glass, it makes more sense to go S35. The larger sensor offers performance advantages.
2/3" offers the same advantages that 16mm film always has, lighter more compact optics, greater mobility and production efficiency with compact broad range zooms. The old TV series "Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman" was shot almost entirely with a single ARRI SR series super16mm camera and an Angenieux 11.5-138mm T2.8 zoom.
 
On the Scarlet 2/3 fixed lens camera I'm seeing specs saying "Fixed 8X T2.4 zoom lens". But does anybody know what the zoom range is and how close can you focus?
 
Russ Blaise said:
On the Scarlet 2/3 fixed lens camera I'm seeing specs saying "Fixed 8X T2.4 zoom lens". But does anybody know what the zoom range is and how close can you focus?
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There has been some talk that it is something like 7.2-57mm, but no one knows at this point. Final specs haven't been announced. This would be roughly equivalent to a 28-224mm zoom on a 35mm camera.
 
David Rasberry said:
There has been some talk that it is something like 7.2-57mm, but no one knows at this point. Final specs haven't been announced. This would be roughly equivalent to a 28-224mm zoom on a 35mm camera.
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I might be wrong but that doesn't sound too bad on the wide end. It's a little short on the long end.

Thanks,
 
I have a related question, I have an Arri S and so I have a bunch of Arri Standard Mount Lenses. Most of which are not meant for the super 16 format... Would they still be okay on the 2/3" Scarlet? If I got the Standard to PL mount adapter... What problems would you guys foresee?
 
Standard-16 lenses should be fine on a 2/3" camera, no problem. Just be sure to get good quality adapters and have them checked for collimation after you've attached the adapters. Try to avoid cheaper adapters that will suffer from overly large expansion and contraction due to temperature changes, that's the biggest concern...

HTH,
Dom.
 
And from what I gather from the rest of this discussion these lenses would be better for the 2/3" scarlet than buying 35mm still lenses? Not as good as getting nice new PL mount lenses, but something that a modest budget could afford...
 
Steve Goodloe said:
And from what I gather from the rest of this discussion these lenses would be better for the 2/3" scarlet than buying 35mm still lenses? Not as good as getting nice new PL mount lenses, but something that a modest budget could afford...
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Definitely. Premium quality vintage 16mm lenses in good condition will be faster and sharper than all but the most expensive 35mm still lenses. Much better choice for 2/3" Scarlet. Using your existing lenses with PL adapters makes a lot of sense. Which Arri lenses do you have?
 
The Schneiders should serve very well. Angie 12-120's can be very good if they are properly maintained.
 
planning to major in stereoscopic work so don't need shallow dof's or much long end, mostly worried about focal sync, be great if they were marked ring zooms on the fixed, looks like they not though
 
Scott R White said:
planning to major in stereoscopic work so don't need shallow dof's or much long end, mostly worried about focal sync, be great if they were marked ring zooms on the fixed, looks like they not though
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I could be possible to electronically sync them with the 2/3" fixed. Pull focus manually on one lens, the other follows via servo link.
 
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