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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

1st problems in the field...

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A simple suggestion..
Military grade camoulflage..is the best artificial shade in the world. When I was in the Army, we would set up large nets to work under in the Hot Texas summer days. It lowers the ambient temp by at least 10 degrees Farenheit. Disperses light similar the way a forest canopy does.
You can make the poles high enough that they wouldn't intefere with shooting.
The netting reflects infrared and other types of Solar radiation but is invisible to radar.
We would get enough netting and poles to make a 40'x40' area about 15 to 20 feet high, with the sides going almost down to the ground (about 10" off the ground).
The netting doesn't trap hot air either.
With enought poles, spreaders, netting and stakes you can in theory make something over 100'x100' easily.

Plenty of surplus stores on the net to get kits (netting, poles, spreaders).
Easy to take down and set up when moving from set to set.
It is not rain proof though.
 
Peltier cooling should work out great. Someone asked earlier if moisture is going to be a problem, is it? With all the processing power in that camera, I'd expect it to put off a lot of heat. I'm sure it it remains an issue, that a Red cooler could be designed to slap on to the bottom of the camera that only made it slightly taller and weigh just a bit more for those times where people are filming in extreme weather.
 
Always wicked hot

Always wicked hot

Jannard said:
The worst thing that can result is that extra care be taken when shooting all day in "wicked hot" locations.

Jim
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Thanks for sharing. It's appreciated, and gives us time to plan for this. Australia, on a cool day, is "wicked hot". We've had a few days above 100 degrees in the middle of our winter. So for my late summer shoot, I'll need to invent something to keep the camera cool. Hiring an extra crew member or three to hold umbrellas and make things cumbersome goes against the whole Red ethos for me. So I want to invent something that can simplify the cooling/shading. I want my DP out in the sunshine, for hours, without somebody chasing him with an umbrella. So, maybe some sort of attachment. There are lots of holes on that Premium Production Package. If anybody has ideas, let me know. And if I invent something good, I'll share.
 
I live in Thailand and during the hot season (april-june) things are getting very hot here so I'm happy with the testing now.

How about the hard disks? I've had hard disks fail on me because of the heat, and that was inside a building. When I took it out of its enclosure and put a fan on it it started working again. That was a 3.5 inch hard disk, maybe the laptop ones are better heat resistant. But it makes me think it might be better to go with compact flash.
 
sander kamp said:
I live in Thailand and during the hot season (april-june) things are getting very hot here so I'm happy with the testing now.
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Where in Thailand do you live? What do you do there? Just curious as I go to Thailand every winter and hope to live there someday.
 
Paint options

Paint options

Jim,

Several of us have raised the question of painting the camera white based on our experience with black cameras overheating when exposed to the sun. I am very happy to hear you are looking into "paint options". I know that many do not want a white camera for a number of reasons. Perhaps they don't feel they will be in that situation often enough and would prefer covering the camera when they are. But I think most who are opposed to the white paint idea are just so proud to be getting this camera and want people to see it as something truly professional and are afraid a white version would not be understood. Speaking just for myself, I will be just as proud of this camera in white paint as in black, probably more, because I recognize the courage it takes to do something other than the expected black. I want to personally thank you for looking into the "paint options". I spend many days a year in the hot Texas sun and for that environment white just makes sense.
 
I think the issue with a white camera is less about it not looking professional, and simply that a white camera will bounce light and show up in reflections like crazy on a controlled film set. A shiny metal camera, while perhaps being even better for heat, would be even worse for reflections. White would make sense if you were always shooting outdoors in hot bright sunlight around non-reflective material, but I'm willing to bet that this will be a less common shooting situation.

Still, I guess that the "paint option" is definitely a good idea for those who don't have to worry about light bouncing off the camera into the scene, and will be shooting outside in the heat.
 
skipdivils said:
Well, I was plannning on taking my two Red's to Saudi Arabia, as that is where the bulk of my work is. I sure do hope that this overheating issue gets solved to the point where I CAN take a Red into 120 degree (100 is nothing when you have shot in a Saudi summer!) heat and continue to shoot without problems. Hmmmmm......
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Yeah, I grew up in Oman and have shot there and in Dubai and Doha as well (summers are 120-odd in the shade - in the sun? Forget it). So enough field testing during a heatwave in Europe; give the camera a workout during summer in Dubai. :)

Seriously, though, it's great to know that you guys are working on this, and hear occasional progress reports. It's been fascinating.
 
Fata Morgana in Formentera.

Fata Morgana in Formentera.

Summer in Spain is very hot.

Have a look at the photo below:

Fata morgana view in Formentera today, Thursday, July 26, 2007.

Temperature 46 Celsius degree.

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If you wanna test extremes you should send it here to North Dakota. This week the temp has been over 100 for a few days and during the winter we've seen below -40 many times (-80 wind chill). I used to walk to University of North Dakota a few blocks away and my ipod would stop working about 100 feet out the door (I'm not crazy, none of the cars want to start).
 
Jim,

That remembers me the 70's F1 cars.
Renault had a few overheating problems with their first turbo engines...in normal environment.
Then voilà ! we had the tubo engine era.

I am very glad you are already working on a special cooling system.

But in RED's case, full 4K 24 fps, ...100+ degree IS HOT.

Do you think significant improvements can still be done in extreme temperatures ?

Thanks for the update !
 
Jannard said:
There is a warning on our back status LCD (back of the camera)... but no one is watching that. We will add that to the LCD and EVF info. This is a great lesson. It will be fixed with the next software build.

Jim
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As much as I'm sorry to hear of your trouble with heat, I have to admit that it's great to see these real-world issues being seen in the field and understood and fixed before shipment. Thanks again for putting 'em through the proper paces.
 
Great to know kinks are still being ironed out, thanks for updates Jim. Heat is an obvious concern for many shooters, are they testing any production models with the cooler sensors in these high heat conditions as well? Well best of luck out there for the rest of the shoot and stay cool! ;)

Best
 
I requested a while back that I wouldn't mind a chrome RED! I'm pretty sure the black plays a role of digesting some unwanted heat. Or maybe not? Anyone else for chrome.... However, It's nice to hear that the current schedule still plays :biggrin:
 
i always thought the hottest part would be the your processor crunching the numbers, not the cmos.
i saw you also use novel concepts inc coolers..their microgroove tech is cool (pun intended) :)
 
Abu Reno said:
I requested a while back that I wouldn't mind a chrome RED! I'm pretty sure the black plays a role of digesting some unwanted heat. Or maybe not? Anyone else for chrome.... However, It's nice to hear that the current schedule still plays :biggrin:
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this is (was) being discussed in another thread..
the "chrome" polish will get even hotter to the touch..
someone made a good point... go touch a black car that has been in direct sunlight... go touch a white car that has been in direct sunlight.. now go touch the chrome bumper... the bumper is the HOTTER of the two.

An umbrella/tent/tarp will be much more effective against any overheating.

Besides.. unless your filming in the sahara desert or in the middle of a heat wave (such as the production we are talking about) I dont think overheating will be much of an issue...
(also assuming your not shooting 4k raw with a fast fps)
 
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