180 degree dutch tilt

[BrandonChristensen]

Hey guys, I have a problem that I need a lower budget solution to. I'm shooting a shot that starts upright, and the camera pulls back and the camera dutch tilts 180 so what was once right up is upside down.

My steadicam guy said his MoVi would do it initially, but now he thinks it won't so I'm back to square one.

We were going to put the MoVi on a stand, put the stand on a dolly with about 24' of track and do the pull.

Technocrane and otherwise are out of the budget.

Anyone have any ideas how to pull this off?

Basically, the shot will be a close up of someone waking up...pull back and rotate 180 and settle on a wide.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Bob Gundu]

The Helix!

 

[Björn Benckert]

The most simple solution is to shoot it with enough look around so that you can animate the roll in post. All other solutions involve a perfect center lens spinning point for the camera and to make it perfectly smooth, on que, etc does simply not really come cheap. Doing it in post is really simple and all you loose is resolution for the particular shot but with a sharp lens to me that's negotiable. Also doing it in post allow you to experiment with the duration and timing for the roll without ruining good takes.

 

[Justin McAleece]

In some cases the simplest way to do this is to just spin your tripod plate 90 degrees and then just use your tripod head sideways as a dutch adjustment instead of tilt. This would mean that you wouldn't be able to tilt, but dutching the camera 90 degrees would be no problem. Either that or you could rent a dutch head.

 

[Mike P.]

I do it in post too, especially if you're rocking dragon/6k... Other than that, as Bob said, the Helix's pivoting is based off of the optical centre so it should work too (though I'm not sure if it does 180 degrees.)

 

[Terry VerHaar]

I do it in post too, especially if you're rocking dragon/6k... Other than that, as Bob said, the Helix's pivoting is based off of the optical centre so it should work too (though I'm not sure if it does 180 degrees.)

I believe the limit is actually 720 degree. :smiley:

 

[ian dart]

attach another tripod head to the top of your tripod head at 90 degrees

 

[Terry VerHaar]

One question is whether the lens needs to rotate around optical center.

 

[BrandonChristensen]

Thanks for the replies!

Ideally the lens would stay fixed, yes.

We were talking about doing it in post and then shooting the ceiling with tracking markers on it and doing a spin that way and then using that camera data for the roll, rather than just a simple rotation keyframe.

Shooting on Scarlet, btw.

Apparently the MoVi says it does 180 degree roll, but I'm not so sure. Still investigating. Doing it in post was sort of my...back up plan.

 

[Shane Kelly]

rent a cartoni dutch head. Or a weaver-steadman 3- axis head - just make sure that you learn how to set it up in the rental shop.

 

[BrandonChristensen]

Thanks, I'll look into that Shane. Not sure what's available in Vegas.

We tried the MoVi and it does 45 degrees each way unfortunately. :'(