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#126 for sale

J Clark

J Clark

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Red #126 for sale with signed Titanium memento.

Highest offer takes the whole package. Cashier's check or cash in person is required. Camera is expected to arrive within a few weeks. This is the package we have on pre-order, but it can be modified to fit your requirements.

Included:

Red Body
Red Base Prod Pack
Red Power Pack
Red EVF with cable and mount
Red LCD with Cable and mount
Red Raid with cable
Red Flash SATA Module
Red SATA 32gb Media
Red AC power
Red Top Handle Ext.
Red Top Mount Ext.
Red Arm Ext.
Red Carbon Fiber 12" Rods x2
Red Carbon Fiber 18" Rods x2

Please contact me directly to make an offer. If interest is low, we will keep the camera and put it to work at a later date so please make substantial and reasonable offers for this amazing camera package.
 
The Red SATA 32gb drive, Red Raid Drive and the EVF are not shipping, so how would you be selling them?
 
J Clark said:
All of the accessories are on order, will be included with the package price and shipped to the buyer when they are available.
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But that's just dumb. RED won't charge for those unavailable accessories and the buyer may not want them or may not want to deal with it down the road. And that's assuming that all of those products will even become available.

The bigger questions are, how do you intend to structure your sale and how do you intend to support this camera with the new owner? Warranties do not transfer.
 
J Clark said:
Red #126 for sale with signed Titanium memento. Our partner prod company purchased two reds so this one will be an extra and we want to see it working.

Highest offer takes the whole package. Cashier's check or cash in person is required. Camera is expected to arrive within a few weeks.

Included:

Red Body
Red Base Prod Pack
Red Power Pack
Red EVF with cable and mount
Red LCD with Cable and mount
Red Raid with cable
Red Flash SATA Module
Red SATA 32gb Media
Red AC power
Red Top Handle Ext.
Red Top Mount Ext.
Red Arm Ext.
Red Carbon Fiber 12" Rods x2
Red Carbon Fiber 18" Rods x2

Please contact me directly to make an offer. If interest is low, we will keep the camera and put it to work at a later date so please make substantial and reasonable offers for this amazing camera package.
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Why didn't you post a photo of yourself next to the Titanium R with the serial number showing? That accessory list has some glaring holes in it that I could drive a train through, sideways!
 
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Craig, Is there anything else you require? I am unclear of your intent, but it's obvious to anyone serious about purchasing this camera that the accessories are not all available yet. They are on our purchase order and there are no secrets or deceptions transpiring here.

If you indeed discover holes in my order, kindly let me know directly and avoid any further public, inappropriate personal attacks on character. This is supposed to be a professional forum and responses of this sort are unwanted and unwarranted.

The accessories listed are to build the complete top handle scenario and offer as many media options as possible. My concern is this - if we do not place our order now for the full set of parts we need, they may get delayed even longer, so I am passing this offer onto a buyer, along with our deposit and early adopter credit.

As for charging a buyer for unavailable accessories, Red does require a deposit at minimum, so it is not "dumb" as commented; it requires money deposited and commitment at purchase time.

Jeff, inferring that my statements are "dumb" is very disrespectful, especially when you do not know the person you are insulting, or realize that this is a small industry and relationships are best kept on the upside. You are a moderator so I expect you to be reasonable and fair. I must ask, is this a professional forum or not, because thus far the few responses I have received have been of an accusatory and insinuating nature.

In regards to the warranty, I am still unclear of these terms and this is a very good question, better approached and asked in a more professional manner than it was presented here. If anybody would be generous enough to point us in the right direction to resolve these concerns, it would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, if you are not in the market to purchase this camera, please withhold your personal comments and allow us to find a good home for this amazing tool, with somebody who did not have the fortune we did, to be there early, faithfully commit $1000 and get on the list.

I am happy to answer any questions in regards to the camera's availability or purchase.
 
Jim, missed you the last time i was in your city ,also will miss your party - might be back your way end of Jan ...
seeing how you have a week or 2 .. it might be better to let the potential buyer give you a list of accessorries ? some might be what you've already ordered or not ?? ..... i don't think anybody really knows how the warranty thing will work on a brand new RED that has been sold ... below are the basic's but i think RED had in mind a camera that was used for a bit not new ?
note that RED has stated warranty will be 1 year not 6 months ...

http://www.red.com/static_pages/terms

5a. Standard Warranty – A Standard Warranty is granted to the original purchaser for a period of six (6) months, parts and labor, for the camera and camera accessories excluding Digital Media and Batteries

5c. Red Re-Certified Product Warranty – Product that is not possessed by the original Buyer may be sent to an Authorized Red Service Center for an evaluation fee of $500. Red will provide a quotation for the re-certification of the product to existing Red product specifications at time of repair. The Customer is responsible for all costs associated with such re-certification, such as troubleshooting, diagnosis, repair, test, calibration, and shipping costs. Upon completion of re-certification, customer may be offered a Red Re-Certified Product Warranty for an additional cost.

“Customer” is defined as an entity who obtained Red product by other means than directly from Red.

A Red Re-Certified Product Warranty is valid for a period of ninety (90) days for the camera and camera accessories after the warranty is accepted by the Customer. Red Re-Certified Product Warranty is not available for Digital Media and Batteries.
 
Thanks Donatello. Great to hear from you! This information clarifies a lot. I would think that Red might transfer a new warranty to a new owner if the camera is unused.

Looks like you're on the cusp of getting your RED?? Let me know when you're in town. and come by the new studio. We have 50 new processors/50gb ram in the render farm and 9 quad core compositing stations at work on multiple film and commercial VFX projects.
 
J Clark said:
Thanks Donatello. Great to hear from you! This information clarifies a lot. I would think that Red might transfer a new warranty to a new owner if the camera is unused.

Looks like you're on the cusp of getting your RED?? Let me know when you're in town. and come by the new studio. We have 50 new processors/50gb ram in the render farm and 9 quad core compositing stations at work on multiple film and commercial VFX projects.
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hi will you tell us at least starting point for price range ?
is it easier to change your order detailes ?
 
J Clark said:
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Craig, Is there anything else you require? I am unclear of your intent, but it's obvious to anyone serious about purchasing this camera that the accessories are not all available yet. They are on our purchase order and there are no secrets or deceptions transpiring here.

If you indeed discover holes in my order, kindly let me know directly and avoid any further public, inappropriate personal attacks on character. This is supposed to be a professional forum and responses of this sort are unwanted and unwarranted.

The accessories listed are to build the complete top handle scenario and offer as many media options as possible. My concern is this - if we do not place our order now for the full set of parts we need, they may get delayed even longer, so I am passing this offer onto a buyer, along with our deposit and early adopter credit.

As for charging a buyer for unavailable accessories, Red does require a deposit at minimum, so it is not "dumb" as commented; it requires money deposited and commitment at purchase time.

Jeff, inferring that my statements are "dumb" is very disrespectful, especially when you do not know the person you are insulting, or realize that this is a small industry and relationships are best kept on the upside. You are a moderator so I expect you to be reasonable and fair. I must ask, is this a professional forum or not, because thus far the few responses I have received have been of an accusatory and insinuating nature.

In regards to the warranty, I am still unclear of these terms and this is a very good question, better approached and asked in a more professional manner than it was presented here. If anybody would be generous enough to point us in the right direction to resolve these concerns, it would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, if you are not in the market to purchase this camera, please withhold your personal comments and allow us to find a good home for this amazing tool, with somebody who did not have the fortune we did, to be there early, faithfully commit $1000 and get on the list.

I am happy to answer any questions in regards to the camera's availability or purchase.
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Damn man, that's one hell of a reply. I love it. Nice way of euphemizing, "Shut the FU$K up." Hahaha.
 
J Clark said:
Jeff, inferring that my statements are "dumb" is very disrespectful, especially when you do not know the person you are insulting, or realize that this is a small industry and relationships are best kept on the upside. You are a moderator so I expect you to be reasonable and fair. I must ask, is this a professional forum or not, because thus far the few responses I have received have been of an accusatory and insinuating nature.
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Sorry bout that. I wasn't trying to infer that directly about your comment or you specifically. Although, reading it now, I don't see how it could be taken in any other way. I need to cut back on the late-night posting activity.

Anyway, what I should have stated more articulately: Many of the accessories you have listed are not available and may not be for some time. Some of them may never actually enter production. You have since responded that these are optional to the buyer, thank you for clarifying. If the buyer does opt for these accessories you have on reserve and it turns out they don't enter production or end up taking substantially longer than anticipated, how would you address that situation?

In regards to the warranty, I am still unclear of these terms and this is a very good question, better approached and asked in a more professional manner than it was presented here. If anybody would be generous enough to point us in the right direction to resolve these concerns, it would be greatly appreciated.
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As of right now, the warranty does not transfer to anyone beyond the original purchaser. Warranty period is 12 months. It seems most RED sales are being handled as a lease with a buy-out at the end of the term and the seller still has to commit to handling any warranty issues and recalls that may occur during this warranty period. Camera can probably be shipped to / from RED with the new buyer (but still using the original owner's name) and it will be necessary for the original owner to coordinate and get return shipment or warranty service approval. But I suppose this is just an aspect of the deal that will need to be taken into account. Do you sell the camera and commit yourself to being available for assistance with warranty issues? If so, it should raise the sale price of your camera. Or do you sell it as is, guaranteed to work upon arrival, but no commitment to assist with warranty issues beyond a certain period - like maybe the first week or two?

Lots of ways to structure a deal like this. Ultimately it comes down to what you as the seller and your buyer can agree upon and live with.
 
There is a lot of interest in this camera and we would like to gain 4-6 months rental fees on the camera in the sale price, or keep it for future use. That said, an additional $20k above our cost would bring the sale price to around $43k.

I am aware of the potential responses this sale may provoke, but whether the camera is sold, rented or shooting, we are all in this for profit and yes, we too are capitalists and find ourselves in a unique situation that we did not plan for.
 
J Clark said:
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Craig, Is there anything else you require? I am unclear of your intent, but it's obvious to anyone serious about purchasing this camera that the accessories are not all available yet. They are on our purchase order and there are no secrets or deceptions transpiring here...
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Someone suddenly posting for the first time and its a low number Red for sale. The immediate reaction is, if they have the "R" then why not show it right off the bat? There are just too many internet scams out there not to challenge and we're not talking about small money. You obviously weren't picking up on what everyone else was getting at and I've seen too many people on dvxuser get hosed trying to buy gear to worry about ruffling a few feathers if the subtle approach is lost.

Anyway... Challenge worked, "R" posted.

So I guess I'll just have to put up with the backlash.
 
why don't you guys let j clark go about the business of selling his camera without all of this hostility and suspicion and thread-jacking and noise. not one serious inquiry or any value added. the stuff on the non-transferability of the warranty is of value, but the rest of it...i thought this was supposed to be a community where we helped each other out, sheesh.

j clark, how fixed is the list? i am possibly interested in a 3rd camera, but with 2 in the works already, i am interested pretty much in something close to body, lens, and batts. is that an option or not? (you will probably get better offers than this, but it never hurts to ask....). thanks.
 
planet e said:
why don't you guys let j clark go about the business of selling his camera without all of this ...i thought this was supposed to be a community where we helped each other out, sheesh.

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i am trying to find a way for J clark or anyother reservation holder to sell their
own numbers with HELP and approval of Redteam .it iwll be easier swap the order from RED
and much easier for every without shipping piece after piece ,,warranty transfer ..replacement all other thing like that
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Speaking from the EU the excellent consumer laws will not apply to RED as the camera is being supplied from outside the EU.
The "European Distance Selling Directive" designed to protect those who buy and pay online also only applies to goods bought within the EU.
(it includes a seven day period to return goods for a full refund)

Good news is that insurance by credit card companies is applicable across borders, but need to check fine print that it covers goods for business use.


To keep RED warranty "live" if selling shortly after buying then perhaps a simple lease contract would keep the camera under warranty.
Payment terms could be 99% first instalment 11 instalments to makeup the residual?

Having said this all the major camera players in the EU offer one year warranty (transferable) and EU law dictates they must support the product for six years with service and spare parts.

So far RED is proving to be superb in its treatment of customers.


Mike Brennan
 
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