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DaVinci for Mac, game changer or game over?

Lucas Wilson said:
...Realistically, it is another 6 months until the $999 version has a real foothold and the market can decide what to do with it. That's a lifetime in the post-production software world....
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6 months is not a lifetime (rather a blink of an eye). The wait list for R1's was 2 years long. Even the consumer Canon t2i is backordered (little over 2 months).

Red proved, a solid demo with great specs at an affordable price (understatement) will build more anticipation than skepticism during the wait.

exciting times.
 
Andrae Palmer said:
what features in Scratch makes it better than the Davinci Resolve grading panel and linux 4k clusters for realtime 4k performance?
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something else we need to ask here: Is Resolve a real conform and finishing tool? My understanding of Scratch (most likely purchasing soon) is it's a conform tool with grading capabilities. As a start up, I'm looking for a system to finish features on that can effectively: Transcode 4K R3D to HD for cutting in FCP, ingest the 4K back in conformed to edit with XML, perform color grade, bring in composites from Flame, bring in audio 2 track (from my mix to picture environment) and output in 2K DPX, HD, whatever I need for each specific project finish. I'm honestly not convinced that Resolve is meant for anything but color grade...and would like to know if that's correct or not. Still researching, and finding it's hard to get a straight answer from the companies themselves, so would like some input from users.
 
Paul these are all good questions and I'm genuinely curious to seek the answers myself. I do like seeing stuff with davinci resolve that talks about power mastering, TLC... the more that I quickly inform myself is the more I realize what I've been ignorant of all these years. I'm sure this debate will iron out the decisions that many are now compelled to make.

I would love to see someone from Scratch highlight these differences. Is Scratch capable of Power Mastering or working directly with a telecine or ingesting tape? I know Scratch is reported as a file based architecture... I would love to know if that means it's limited/doesn't accept film or tape ingest.
 
Lucas Wilson said:
But not *one* person on this thread has seen anything other than a trade show demo of this product. Not one. And if you believe everything you see in a floor demo at NAB, I've got some lake property in the Mojave to sell you...

Lucas
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Well we are all speculating here. I do agree with you the comments and arguments against scratch are absolutely baseless until Resolve ships. Luckily it wont take 6 months for us to use it.
 
Resolve shipped in 2004... the mac version allows you to scale upto Linux Resolve. So albeit we may not know how the mac version will perform... we do have a clue how the Linux version for only 50k with impresario panel will. That's the version I plan to get.
 
Andrae Palmer said:
Paul these are all good questions and I'm genuinely curious to seek the answers myself. I do like seeing stuff with davinci resolve that talks about power mastering, TLC... the more that I quickly inform myself is the more I realize what I've been ignorant of all these years. I'm sure this debate will iron out the decisions that many are now compelled to make.

I would love to see someone from Scratch highlight these differences. Is Scratch capable of Power Mastering or working directly with a telecine or ingesting tape? I know Scratch is reported as a file based architecture... I would love to know if that means it's limited/doesn't accept film or tape ingest.
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Not sure what's Power Mastering, but on Scratch no on telecine control and yes on tape ingest. BTW, why do you care about telecine control? Do you have Spirit laying around somewhere?
 
Andrae Palmer said:
I would love to see someone from Scratch highlight these differences. Is Scratch capable of Power Mastering or working directly with a telecine or ingesting tape? I know Scratch is reported as a file based architecture... I would love to know if that means it's limited/doesn't accept film or tape ingest.
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From what I've seen on the Assimilate site, Scratch can ingest from decks and film scanners. For me personally, I'm not looking to jump into handling Telecine or doing the actual film print, so in those cases I would work closely with a film lab. I'm more focused on the work in between the Telecine and film out. Also in my case I'll be working with mostly digital cinema vs shot on film.
Still, will keep looking into whether Resolve is a conform and mastering tool or strictly color. So far haven't read anything about Resolve and audio ability.
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Since you own neither a SCRATCH nor a Resolve, what do you base this on - demos at trade shows? Really? Do you also believe every word the car salesman tells you? Not trying to pick on you specifically, but it's comments like this that have made me stay away from this thread.

I work and earn my salary in the real world - with real shipping products and real customers who have clients breathing down their necks. Realistically, it is another 6 months until the $999 version has a real foothold and the market can decide what to do with it. That's a lifetime in the post-production software world.

The Blackmagic announcement is exciting... I love disruptive technology and disruptive announcements. It makes people think hard and work hard, and usually the industry is better for it.

But not *one* person on this thread has seen anything other than a trade show demo of this product. Not one. And if you believe everything you see in a floor demo at NAB, I've got some lake property in the Mojave to sell you...

Lucas


Lucas Wilson
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Reality Police
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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How anyone could have seen anything, other than the demo at the show? Resolve on the Mac is very, very early beta of the product. It was just barely ported in time for NAB. But I'm curious, Lucas. It is easy to play lip service to love of disruptive technologies and announcements, but are you really excited about the announcement and why? What do you personally believe are misconceptions about Resolve, that were discussed previously?
 
jake blackstone said:
Not sure what's Power Mastering
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PowerMastering: Multiple resolution deliverables from a single master session enables you to grade in up to 2k using the R-series up to the R-350, and in 4k on the R-4K and output to 4k, 2k HD, SD 16:9, SD 4:3 and other media formats in real time.
 
M Most said:
How many more times and how many more ways do you need to say the same thing? You think Resolve will put Assimilate out of business. We get it. I was trying to expand this into a more sensible and general conversation, and offer a view from another end of the industry. That's clearly a conversation you don't seem to want to take part in.
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Lol! You seem to be saying the same thing also!
I don't mind expanding the conversation, but sometimes you get annoying when you want to force on to others your point of view like you have the final word on everything.
 
jake blackstone said:
Not sure what's Power Mastering, but on Scratch no on telecine control and yes on tape ingest. BTW, why do you care about telecine control? Do you have Spirit laying around somewhere?
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Jake, why don't you lay off with the hostile attitude? It doesn't help anyone and cheapens this forum. We should be helping each other, not trying to prove how much we know to everyone else.
 
Arttie Puig said:
LOL!
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Artie,

do you know for sure if Resolve is a conform and mastering tool as well as grading? What kind of compositing and audio compatibility if so? If Resolve is really just a grading tool, then it can't be something that would compete with Scratch outside of grading. For grading, yes, I believe DaVinci is going to be superior at the moment, but I think we are comparing tools that also do quite different tasks. But am trying to get confirmation on Resolves functionality other than grading.
 
Paul Buhl said:
So far haven't read anything about Resolve and audio ability.
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Chapter 4 of the manual does have a section on audio conforming.
 
Paul Buhl said:
Jake, why don't you lay off with the hostile attitude? It doesn't help anyone and cheapens this forum. We should be helping each other, not trying to prove how much we know to everyone else.
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??? Andrae asked a question and I'd answered. Andrae were you offended with my answer? If you were, I apologize...
 
Paul Buhl said:
Artie,

do you know for sure if Resolve is a conform and mastering tool as well as grading? What kind of compositing and audio compatibility if so? If Resolve is really just a grading tool, then it can't be something that would compete with Scratch outside of grading. For grading, yes, I believe DaVinci is going to be superior at the moment, but I think we are comparing tools that also do quite different tasks. But am trying to get confirmation on Resolves functionality other than grading.
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Compositing in Scratch? Good luck. As a matter of fact, good luck trying compositing on any other color grading systems...
 
jake blackstone said:
??? Andrae asked a question and I'd answered. Andrae were you offended with my answer? If you were, I apologize...
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I'm a Marine... I have leatherneck skin. The reason why I wanted to know about telecine control is because I would like to know the limitations of each system. I also don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for our company to acquire a telecine machine.

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Paul have you read the resolve manual? Anyone know where I can get the scratch finishing manual?
 
jake blackstone said:
Compositing in Scratch? Good luck. As a matter of fact, good luck trying compositing on any other color grading systems...
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not looking to perform actual creative composite work in Scratch, will be using Flame for that, but would like to take finished output from Flame and drop on top of my graded video layer in Scratch if possible. Otherwise would have to provide graded 2K to Flame, output composite work from Flame including the base video layer and insert edit back in Scratch. The concern would be color shifts in the base video going from Scratch to Flame and back to Scratch.
 
Paul Buhl said:
not looking to perform actual creative composite work in Scratch, will be using Flame for that, but would like to take finished output from Flame and drop on top of my graded video layer in Scratch if possible. Otherwise would have to provide graded 2K to Flame, output composite work from Flame including the base video layer and insert edit back in Scratch. The concern would be color shifts in the base video going from Scratch to Flame and back to Scratch.
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Than all you're talking about is an ability to drop the VFX shot into already graded time line, so existing grade gets applied to it. Then the answer is yes, Resolve can do it very easily. It's a standard feature on pretty much all of grading systems.
 
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