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November 30th Announcement Feedback

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Tim Bird said:
Depth of field is a function of the size of the image at the image plane. So for any given camera system, DOF is a direct function of the size of the sensor. Larger sensors have inherently more shallow DOF than do smaller sensors.
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Nope. Not true. DOF is primarily a function of focal length in relation to aperture. Other factors do play a role, such as the distance to your subject and the circle of confusion within the optical path. CoC remains fairly constant if we retain the same sensor/film properties and and lens mount (focal depth). Smaller sensors have deeper apparent DOF because they require shorter focal lengths to achieve the same field of view as a longer focal length on a larger sensor (or image area).

You can see the DOF effect (or lack thereof) produced by a smaller sensor simply by cropping into an image. Shoot 4K on the RED One. Then switch to 2K and shoot the same shot two different ways. First change the lens to a different focal length to achieve the same framing, then using the same lens as with 4K reposition the camera to achieve the same framing. Compare your DOF.

But everything else you wrote is pretty much spot on. It's just a common misconception that sensor size actually has a direct effect on DOF. I think a lot of people are far too concerned with DOF and how to achieve shallow DOF, especially on a 2/3" sensor. Many Hollywood films are shot on 2/3" cameras these days and no one seems to notice.

Here's a quick example. It's a goofy example in that it's shot 3K, so between 2/3" and S35 frame size, but fairly wide focal length and moderate aperture.

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time code in out?

time code in out?

Hello Jarred,

Is possible time code in and out like redone under Scarlet with fix lens?

Thanks!.
 
1st time poster...long time lurker!

Thanks to the Red Team, price for the fixed looks great!

Hope I can sell my HVX kit for something reasonable now that this announcement has come out. Maybe someone who is unhappy with the price increase will snag it! $3K for 720p! Ooooooooh the 60p slomo is so nice! ....anybody?

-Dane

Shoot.Cut.Create
 
still images resolution

still images resolution

Is there an specs on the Still image resolutions of Epic or Scarlet? How many Megapixel equiv are we talking? Anything close to a phase one back or more along the lines of 35mm.
 
Wow, just saw the UI image in the announcement thread. Love it.
 
looks like the new UI image would be for the touchscreens. Is it safe to assume that if using the EVF you would have to have the redmote to access all the menus and options? would the evf look similar to that UI image as well (as far as the information and histo goes)?
 
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UI comments

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1259705913.jpg

Awesome.... there seems to be a tab to open up more on the left.
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Yes, that's correct. That's a tab that opens up for selection of various UI options.


Is it safe to assume that if using the EVF you would have to have the redmote to access all the menus and options?
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Yes, either a REDmote or a Side Handle.

Would the EVF look similar to that UI image as well (as far as the information and histo goes)?
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Yes, it would look very similar.
 
Stuart English said:
Both of the I/O modules include the same 10-pin AUX connector as found on the RED-ONE.

So power and Record Start / Stop and Playback Last Clip triggers are available from there.
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So 10 pin Aux and no 4 pin Lemo's ? as on Red one ?
 
wow thanks stuart! by the time i refreshed my page ur answer was already there:biggrin5:

my internet here at manas AFB is really slow>_<
 
More UI questions

More UI questions

Jarred/Stuart, the announcement mentions...
Independent Programmable Frame Guides and Menu overlays on Monitor Outputs
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...does this include HDMI and HD-SDI outputs or just the RED monitor(s) and EVF?

I notice the resolution of the UI sample you've posted is 800x480 - is that a genuine capture or just a mock-up? Will there be any flexibility in the output format - ie. will there be any standard XGA, SXGA or 720p options for third-party monitors?
 
Wow,
Very,very impressive features. Factory electronic remote follow focus is great, but touch track focus and face detection in cine mode is mad crazy! Camera tracking metadata burned in really sets the bar for the tool for the future. :)
 
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Jeff Kilgroe said:
Nope. Not true. DOF is primarily a function of focal length in relation to aperture. Other factors do play a role, such as the distance to your subject and the circle of confusion within the optical path. CoC remains fairly constant if we retain the same sensor/film properties and and lens mount (focal depth). Smaller sensors have deeper apparent DOF because they require shorter focal lengths to achieve the same field of view as a longer focal length on a larger sensor (or image area).

You can see the DOF effect (or lack thereof) produced by a smaller sensor simply by cropping into an image. Shoot 4K on the RED One. Then switch to 2K and shoot the same shot two different ways. First change the lens to a different focal length to achieve the same framing, then using the same lens as with 4K reposition the camera to achieve the same framing. Compare your DOF.

But everything else you wrote is pretty much spot on. It's just a common misconception that sensor size actually has a direct effect on DOF. I think a lot of people are far too concerned with DOF and how to achieve shallow DOF, especially on a 2/3" sensor. Many Hollywood films are shot on 2/3" cameras these days and no one seems to notice.

Here's a quick example. It's a goofy example in that it's shot 3K, so between 2/3" and S35 frame size, but fairly wide focal length and moderate aperture.

smoontest003.jpg
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Here's some good examples of screen grabs from Zodiac, which was shot with the Viper and DigiPrimes. I'd also like to note that the DigiPrimes have a T-Stop of 1.6, where as the mini-RED Primes are T-1.5. So these are definitely going to be some awesome lenses that can provide a really nice shallow DOF.

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Looking forward to playing with all the new toys....

2010 is gonna be a good year....
 
Jarred Land said:
correcto... and you can use those rings on the normal REDMOTE, Side Handle or the REDMOTE PRO to handle either of the rings (Z,I,F) as well.
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Hello Jarred, great announcement. I love the Redmote.

So with the Redmote Pro we'll be able to pull focus with a the Epic-X with canon lenses, right?

If so, will there be a way to run it in wired mode, instead of wireless when we want to place the Redmote in different places near to the camera? Basically I am saying this because most of the times the follow focus operator will be on the side of the camera. And just being so close to the camera, would be nicer to have a way to use the Redmote not in wireless mode and the the power from the camera.

Also one concern is that the follow focus knob seems a bit small compared to other professional knobs. I wonder how easy is to pull focus with it and also if it is possible to take the white ring out and replace it with others.

Thanks,

Ivan
 
Ivan Cortazar said:
Hello Jarred, great announcement. I love the Redmote.

So with the Redmote Pro we'll be able to pull focus with a the Epic-X with canon lenses, right?

If so, will there be a way to run it in wired mode, instead of wireless when we want to place the Redmote in different places near to the camera? Basically I am saying this because most of the times the follow focus operator will be on the side of the camera. And just being so close to the camera, would be nicer to have a way to use the Redmote not in wireless mode and the the power from the camera.

Also one concern is that the follow focus knob seems a bit small compared to other professional knobs. I wonder how easy is to pull focus with it and also if it is possible to take the white ring out and replace it with others.

Thanks,

Ivan
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Yes you can use it on Epic to pull focus on Canon/Nikon Lenses.

The knob is aprox. 2.5" in diameter, there are some similar sized knobs on the market and it feels really good in your hand. The white ring is replaceable.

The Battery on the Redmote should last an entire day. When it is on the back of the camera it charges itself as well.
 
PL mount adapter???

PL mount adapter???

I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive and boring, but...

I've asked a few times on this thread if there is going to be a PL mount adapter for the Scarlet.

Three other people have asked as well.

But there has been no answer.

No PL mount adapter is mentioned in the Nov 30 update or price list.

This would surely be the most useful adapter, given the easy availability of 16mm lenses.

(The Scarlet will come with a mini-PL mount, which I understand is not the same.)

Can anyone confirm that we will be able to use 16mm glass?

Paul
 
Jarred Land said:
Yes you can use it on Epic to pull focus on Canon/Nikon Lenses.

The knob is aprox. 2.5" in diameter, there are some similar sized knobs on the market and it feels really good in your hand. The white ring is replaceable.

The Battery on the Redmote should last an entire day. When it is on the back of the camera it charges itself as well.
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You most probably already are BUT it doesn't hurt to ask again, if that's the case. Please make it as versatile as the know on a ARRI RCU as well so we can use it for speeds and ramps, with shutter compensations etc.

thank you
 
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