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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Rocket Fuel...

Tick Tock...
 
Hi all,

The "other half" of the announcement is that Rocket Fuel does not operate in a vacuum. Rocket Fuel goes into a... Rocket. Systems are fueled by this.

And quietly, over the past few months, we have been working hard with our systems and reseller partners to create turnkey hardware/software bundles that are ready to go and priced accordingly.

Keycode Media - our 2009 Reseller of the Year - announced a bundle with an HP Z400 powered by Rocket Fuel for US$12,898 turnkey. Financing (once approved) is less than US$450/month.

1Beyond has announced their Wrangler portable system - an incredible on-set system solution powered by Rocket Fuel for just at US$18,500 turnkey.

There are many others, but those are two examples.

Our goal here was to provide realtime, full resolution, full quality 4K R3D workflow at a pricepoint that works for everyone...

We hope you agree.

Best,

Lucas Wilson
--------------
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Hi all,

The "other half" of the announcement is that Rocket Fuel does not operate in a vacuum. Rocket Fuel goes into a... Rocket. Systems are fueled by this.

And quietly, over the past few months, we have been working hard with our systems and reseller partners to create turnkey hardware/software bundles that are ready to go and priced accordingly.

Keycode Media - our 2009 Reseller of the Year - announced a bundle with an HP Z400 powered by Rocket Fuel for US$12,898 turnkey. Financing (once approved) is less than US$450/month.

1Beyond has announced their Wrangler portable system - an incredible on-set system solution powered by Rocket Fuel for just at US$18,500 turnkey.

There are many others, but those are two examples.

Our goal here was to provide realtime, full resolution, full quality 4K R3D workflow at a pricepoint that works for everyone...

We hope you agree.

Best,

Lucas Wilson
--------------
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Sounds good, now what about the details? I had a few questions earlier that I would love to know the answers to if possible.
 
mikeburton said:
Sounds good, now what about the details? I had a few questions earlier that I would love to know the answers to if possible.
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me too :)

1. How does it compare (feature wise) to a Red Rocket with Rocket Cine-X and Recine- X (advanced alpha and exiting as hell)?

2. This is basically Scratch-cine on steroids at an incredibly reduced price point. That is cool. Thanks.

3. You answered the cost of the PC kit required to use it.

We own a Red Rocket and its been phenomenal as a daily/check solution.
And exports wonderfully to prores4444.

4. This sounds like an incredible prep tool for Scratch 5.0. How will it benefit those of us using FCP3 on Snow Leopard with a MAXX digital EVO2K 8TB raid (roughly 900ms, read/write) Kona 3, ATI4870 16GB RAM. 2.93 8-Core latest Mac Pro. Dreamcolor with HD-SDI to HDMI1.3 10 bit input from HD-SDI port on Red Rocket?

Thanks so much, especially for the price concession. Very cool.
 
Lucas I'd love to see the official Assimilate press release on this this product. Until then let me see if I understand the product, it's implications and how it is differs from Running a system with Red Cine X and a Red Rocket Card.

Rocket Fuel is Scratch Cine v.5 with a Red Rocket Card and Nvidea SDI graphic card.

With the Red Rocket card - we can playback 4k in real time and render up to 4k dpx in real time. (we can do that in Red Cine X)

With the SDI card - we can properly monitor our color corrected dailies on a broadcast monitor. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - a colorist like myself can color time dailies with a control surface like the Tangent Wave. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - I can do a full conform taking an edl from fcp or avid. Then I can export the conformed project to a file format of my choice like dpx for final color correct on a color system of my choice. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

If I missed anything please let me know.

I'd also like to hear more about the Rocket Fuel Bundles. I heard of a HP Z400 bundle for $12,898. A Wrangler Pro bundle for $18,995. Can you expound.
 
namekyoyo said:
Lucas I'd love to see the official Assimilate press release on this this product. Until then let me see if I understand the product, it's implications and how it is differs from Running a system with Red Cine X and a RED Rocket™™ Card.

Rocket Fuel is Scratch Cine v.5 with a RED Rocket™™ Card and Nvidea SDI graphic card.

With the RED Rocket™™ card - we can playback 4k in real time and render up to 4k dpx in real time. (we can do that in Red Cine X)

With the SDI card - we can properly monitor our color corrected dailies on a broadcast monitor. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - a colorist like myself can color time dailies with a control surface like the Tangent Wave. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - I can do a full conform taking an edl from fcp or avid. Then I can export the conformed project to a file format of my choice like dpx for final color correct on a color system of my choice. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

If I missed anything please let me know.

I'd also like to hear more about the Rocket Fuel Bundles. I heard of a HP Z400 bundle for $12,898. A Wrangler Pro bundle for $18,995. Can you expound.
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Thanks Yohance.

A. You CAN properly monitor footage on a broadcast monitor out of Redrocket via HD-SDI to HDMI 1.3 AJA converter. We are now at 10bit and clean on scopes via Rocketcine-X to Dreamcolor. Also works to Panny 11 Pro Plasma. What am I missing here?

B. We don't know if Euphonix or others wont create a 3rd party app for integrating control surfaces to Redcine-X, like they are with FCS3. I could envision it though, especially with RED's proclaiming such in previous threads. But right now, correct.

C. But can't you do that now in FCP3 with dpx to color? Rocketcine-X soon to be able to export to dpx, Tiff, etc.

thanks
 
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Tim Whitcomb said:
Also works to Panny 11 Pro Plasma. What am I missing here?
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Panny 11 Pro plasmas don't accept 10bit input over HDMI... 8bit only. :emote_headwall:
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Panny 11 Pro plasmas don't accept 10bit input over HDMI... 8bit only. :emote_headwall:
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I meant with the dual link HD-SDI card... but that sucks. Even with the new AJA? hmm. Dreamcolor does and other than off-access being weak. its killer for the $ imho for our work.

Im hoping Panny 12 and board is an uptick.
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
Thanks Yohance.

A. You CAN properly monitor footage on a broadcast monitor out of Redrocket via HD-SDI to HDMI 1.3 AJA converter. We are now at 10bit and clean on scopes via Rocketcine-X to Dreamcolor. Also works to Panny 11 Pro Plasma. What am I missing here?

B. We don't know if Euphonix or others wont create a 3rd party app for integrating control surfaces to Redcine-X, like they are with FCS3. I could envision it though, especially with RED's proclaiming such in previous threads. But right now, correct.

C. But can't you do that now in FCP3 with dpx to color? Rocketcine-X soon to be able to export to dpx, Tiff, etc.

thanks
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C. But can't you do that now in FCP3 with dpx to color? Rocketcine-X soon to be able to export to dpx, Tiff, etc.

Yes. you can if you have tuns of time to waste.
1. If you want to work directly from the R3ds you will need to use Apple Color to debayer and convert to DPX. This is horribly slow. Just ask Mike Curtis http://tiny.cc/F5wMp

2. If you go with the ProRes4444 workflow you will need to use the Red Log and Transfer function in FCP which will convert your r3ds to ProRes4444. Then you can export your dpx but this also is slow.



B. We don't know if Euphonix or others wont create a 3rd party app for integrating control surfaces to Redcine-X, like they are with FCS3. I could envision it though, especially with RED's proclaiming such in previous threads. But right now, correct.


That's very big if. Until then Red Cine X peeps are stuck with dragging handles. Nothing wrong with that Ive done dailies like that however I've done dailies with control surfaces also and working with a surface is far superior to dragging handles.


You CAN properly monitor footage on a broadcast monitor out of Redrocket via HD-SDI to HDMI 1.3 AJA converter. We are now at 10bit and clean on scopes via Rocketcine-X to Dreamcolor. Also works to Panny 11 Pro Plasma. What am I missing here?


I understand the HD-SDI to converter to Dreamcolor. How you get a 10bit signal from RocketCineX to your HD-SDI card?
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
I meant with the dual link HD-SDI card... but that sucks. Even with the new AJA? hmm. Dreamcolor does and other than off-access being weak. its killer for the $ imho for our work.

Im hoping Panny 12 and board is an uptick.
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Yeah, the 11-series takes 10bit via HD-SDI. Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread, plenty of complaining about this elsewhere. A lot of us have high hopes for the 12 series.
 
mikeburton said:
Lucas, what kind of minimum hardware specs on the PC is assimilate recommending for a fully functional system with RocketFuel? Can you explain how the 3800 SDI card works in this system? Is it just for monitoring and outputing for the SDI feature or does it actually play a role in the realtime performance? I would assume the Rocket by itself would be able to get the realtime performance out of REDCODE but I could be mistaken here. Also, 64bit is awesome and running under windows 7 will be great!
Also, I already have a 4800 Quadro FX card without the SDI. Does the 3800 SDI module work with the 4800 Quadro FX card?

Thanks!
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Mike,

Minimum hardware specs are different depending on what you want to do. Do you also have an editorial package running on the system? Do you have VFX running on the system... etc. That is exactly why we partner with companies who do integration for a living - so they can tailor systems to specific needs. Tell me where you live and I'll hook you up with our partner in that area.

And - the SDI module will work with both the 3800 and 4800 - so if you get a 3800 SDI as part of Rocket Fuel, the SDI card will also work with your 4800.

Lucas
------
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
namekyoyo said:
Lucas I'd love to see the official Assimilate press release on this this product. Until then let me see if I understand the product, it's implications and how it is differs from Running a system with Red Cine X and a RED Rocket™ Card.

Rocket Fuel is Scratch Cine v.5 with a RED Rocket™ Card and Nvidea SDI graphic card.

With the RED Rocket™ card - we can playback 4k in real time and render up to 4k dpx in real time. (we can do that in Red Cine X)

With the SDI card - we can properly monitor our color corrected dailies on a broadcast monitor. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - a colorist like myself can color time dailies with a control surface like the Tangent Wave. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

With Scratch Cine X - I can do a full conform taking an edl from fcp or avid. Then I can export the conformed project to a file format of my choice like dpx for final color correct on a color system of my choice. (can't do that with Red Cine X)

If I missed anything please let me know.

I'd also like to hear more about the Rocket Fuel Bundles. I heard of a HP Z400 bundle for $12,898. A Wrangler Pro bundle for $18,995. Can you expound.
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Hey Yohance,

Yep - that's all correct. As for the bundles, the HP Z400 bundle is run by Keycode Media. Contact Pat Howley at Keycode for details. The Wrangler Pro bundle is run by 1Beyond, and contact Rony at 1Beyond for details.

Lucas
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Mike,

Minimum hardware specs are different depending on what you want to do. Do you also have an editorial package running on the system? Do you have VFX running on the system... etc. That is exactly why we partner with companies who do integration for a living - so they can tailor systems to specific needs. Tell me where you live and I'll hook you up with our partner in that area.

And - the SDI module will work with both the 3800 and 4800 - so if you get a 3800 SDI as part of Rocket Fuel, the SDI card will also work with your 4800.

Lucas
------
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Thanks Lucas! Appreciate the response.
 
Hey Lucas, exciting stuff! What if we already have a Red Rocket? I suppose I could sell it.
 
namekyoyo said:
C.


I understand the HD-SDI to converter to Dreamcolor. How you get a 10bit signal from RocketCineX to your HD-SDI card?
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RedRocket has Dual SDi Out, no need for a gfx card with sdi.

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