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Is the Panasonic TH-42PF11UK still the plasma monitor of choice?

Roberto Lequeux said:
I would love to read that.

All I know is that a good room will have neutral gray walls and the lighting will be "not too dim"... not a lights off room, but not one with windows letting heaps of sunshine in either. But that is all I know.

I would love to know if there is an actual exposure level that is considered optimal, and if there is a better color temperature to use for the lights.
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A video monitor should be approx. 30-32 foot-lamberts on a white field, and a backlit surround should be about 5% of that, or about 1.5 foot-lamberts (according to Charles Poynton). In plain English, there should be a backlight behind the monitor illuminating a grey wall with 6500K light at a relatively low level. However, unless one is a professional colorist working in a professional facility, I wouldn't be too concerned about matching that specification exactly.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
I would love to read that.

All I know is that a good room will have neutral gray walls and the lighting will be "not too dim"... not a lights off room, but not one with windows letting heaps of sunshine in either. But that is all I know.

I would love to know if there is an actual exposure level that is considered optimal, and if there is a better color temperature to use for the lights.
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Here is some more info. It's been many years since I myself looked at the recommended viewing practices. Sony monitors user manual used to have pretty good description, if I remember it correctly.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/21/855665#855680
 
M Most said:
A video monitor should be approx. 30-32 foot-lamberts on a white field, and a backlit surround should be about 5% of that, or about 1.5 foot-lamberts (according to Charles Poynton). In plain English, there should be a backlight behind the monitor illuminating a grey wall with 6500K light at a relatively low level. However, unless one is a professional colorist working in a professional facility, I wouldn't be too concerned about matching that specification exactly.
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Mike, it is my understanding that if you run the display in cinema or standard mode, the average pixel constraint will kick in on images that are 'too bright' so you would be limited to 25 foot lamberts on a white filed. This is troubling because if we cut from a 'normal' scene to say a talking head against white, the panel is going to be constrained and everything is suddenly going to lack the 'punch' the other scenes seemed to have. How are people using this in practice? I imagine running it in video mode is the only sensible thing to do but then you are limited to 25 foot lamberts across the board. Not sure if my numbers are correct, this is all based off hearsay.
 
I'm pretty certain that Panasonic will come out with new model at Interbee in November.
I've seen the prototype.
 
jake blackstone said:
Hey Dave. Perhaps you'd missed my earlier post?:laugh:
http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=452066&postcount=6
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Hey Jake, Yep sorry I missed the post, your points are correct. I think Mike's point about consistency between Plasma's is also very important. On Monday ill place an order for one of the 50 inch 11 series display and then properly calibrate it in a controlled environment properly lit. If as it is hoped it is as good as people say we will by more of them for our other suites.

One point that Ive not seen any comment, how does this display deal with interlaced material. I know this is a Red forum and interlaced images are not spoken of but respectfully but we still need to display this at times.

Our local dealer has commented that it displays interlaced images OK but there has been some issues with the HDSDI boards not interfacing with some PSf signals too well.
 
Dave,

The consumer panasonic NeoPDP now claims no loss in resolution on interlaced image but series 11 go down on the fast motions a bit.
 
Kaku Ito said:
I'm pretty certain that Panasonic will come out with new model at Interbee in November.
I've seen the prototype.
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So do you think this will be nearer 32 Ft lambers but other wise similar to the 11 series ? or are the other improvements also ?
 
Kaku Ito said:
Dave,

The consumer panasonic NeoPDP now claims no loss in resolution on interlaced image but series 11 go down on the fast motions a bit.
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Its interesting and welcome news, more what I was thinking that some devices such as reports of the Dreamcolor switch out LUT's and other processing, from what you know Im assuming the 11 series doesnt do this ?

Also we hope to use HDMI rather than SDI/HDSDi from our Kona LHi cards.

We have some older Kona LHe's also, apart from the 4.2.2 single link issue, would you know if there is any issue in running this display out of the Kona SDi to an AJA (or other SDI to HDMI convertor) and then HDMI in to the 11 series monitor.
 
I've checked models here in the UK. Firstly the latest variant is the TH-42PF11EK or (TH-50PF11EK for the 50 inch display), the suffix UK has changed to EK. So far as I can see and the dealer confirms there are no changes to the viewing specs other than this is now a european model rather than a UK model.

There are some important board issues and questions.

It seems the dual link HDSDI is HDSDI only and doesnt support SDI. Also its £2100 !

The SDI/HDSDI board spec suggests that it supports 525/59.94i and 625/50i (the DVI-D and HDMI cards don't seem to support interlaced signals.)

The DVI-D and HDMI format specs are the same.

So, questions.

Can any one confirm the Dual link card has no SDI or does not support single link ie 4.2.2 ?

The SDI/HDSDI card seems essential if SD support is required.

I don't see a need to install HDMI where DVI-D could be used with a HDMI to DVI-D lead, its not expensive at £145 but it does take up a slot in the display.

Has any one found a dual link SDI/HDSDI to HDMI that doesnt truncate data to 8 bit that could be used instead of the Pana dual link card ?
 
Dave Blackham said:
I've checked models here in the UK. Firstly the latest variant is the TH-42PF11EK or (TH-50PF11EK for the 50 inch display), the suffix UK has changed to EK. So far as I can see and the dealer confirms there are no changes to the viewing specs other than this is now a european model rather than a UK model.

There are some important board issues and questions.

It seems the dual link HDSDI is HDSDI only and doesnt support SDI. Also its £2100 !

The SDI/HDSDI board spec suggests that it supports 525/59.94i and 625/50i (the DVI-D and HDMI cards don't seem to support interlaced signals.)

The DVI-D and HDMI format specs are the same.

So, questions.

Can any one confirm the Dual link card has no SDI or does not support single link ie 4.2.2 ?

The SDI/HDSDI card seems essential if SD support is required.

I don't see a need to install HDMI where DVI-D could be used with a HDMI to DVI-D lead, its not expensive at £145 but it does take up a slot in the display.

Has any one found a dual link SDI/HDSDI to HDMI that doesnt truncate data to 8 bit that could be used instead of the Pana dual link card ?
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How about these from AJA?
http://www.aja.com/products/converters/converters-hd-hdp2.php
http://www.aja.com/products/converters/converters-hd-hi53g.php

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Hi Kaku,

Do you think it can be calibrated accurate enough for color correction ?

Antoine
 
Antoine,

I don't know if this is what I saw at Panasonic Studio that they were saying to tune as master monitor, but certainly it is the newer lineup of the series 11.
Series12 is twice as much dynamic range, the best contrast ratio in the world, 40,000:1, and surprisingly, Panasonic finally mentioned the actual number of the gradation level of 6,144. PF11 was 5,120 level.
Also Series 12 does not get lower resolution in the motion, provides the 1080 line resolution on moving picture.
The color reproduction ability is 110% of 709 specification.

Other features are like, 1:1 pixel by pixel mode, monitor mode (same as Pf11), Studio white balance (to use as studio monitor) and so on.
 
Hi Kaku,

Sounds great, i hope it gets available very soon!

Antoine
 
I'm ready to buy a 52" 12-series... As long as they have a proper HDMI interface available. The crippled HDMI is what kept me from buying the 10 and 11 series panels.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'm ready to buy a 52" 12-series... As long as they have a proper HDMI interface available. The crippled HDMI is what kept me from buying the 10 and 11 series panels.
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crippled HDMI? what does that mean?

you mean you want/need HDMI 1.3 support (10bit) or was there an actual problem with the 11 Series HDMI?

thanks Jeff
 
Crippled in the sense that the HDMI is limited to 8bits/channel. While their consumer displays have had 10bit and 12bit input support for the past two generations. I realize it's a market demand sort of thing, but HDMI is important these days. Can't always just live in a SDI world...
 
How about the Best Buy Specials as a client monitor??? The TC-P50S1 at $999 or the TC-P50G10 at $1399???

Pros & Cons???



Jeff Kilgroe said:
Crippled in the sense that the HDMI is limited to 8bits/channel. While their consumer displays have had 10bit and 12bit input support for the past two generations. I realize it's a market demand sort of thing, but HDMI is important these days. Can't always just live in a SDI world...
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glad this thread is up! Anybody know when these 52" and 42" 12 series will be at a store like B&H? I know they have been out of stock on the 42" 11 series for a while. This leads me to believe they are waiting for 12 series to replace them? Anybody? Panasonic guys?

Also, once I have calibrated this as best I can(probe/cinetal software), how can I test that what I saw in the studio is what I will see on the tv when it's broadcast to my house?
 
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