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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New: Cinedeck/ Cineform Field Recorder/Monitor

Jay A. Kelley said:
I know about the part with the RED, my Focus was Epic and Scarlet.. I am researching this product for an overview so I was curious..

I'll ask them

Jay
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i think as long as psf is some kind of "sony" thing we will see no psf output on a red related product.

but everything can change i guess or i am simply wrong :)
 
David Newman said:
Evangelos, It seem that test used a 4:2:2 mode of CineForm, as the testing engine of QuickTime Player, we simpler assume that tool is for 8-bit non-professional work. Testing would be better in AE where 16-bit pixels and 4:4:4(4) is at play. CineForm 444 is an RGB codec, unlike ProRES 444 which is YUV internally, so we will typically perform very well against it and all other lossy codecs.

On subject, we are very excited to have CineDeck coming to market.
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So David, Can I install on my MacPro your codec and capture with the help of a BlackMagic PCIe extreme 3 from within FCP7 on Cineform 444 in your best quality with 0 -1023 RGB range?
 
Evangelos Achillopoulos said:
So David, Can I install on my MacPro your codec and capture with the help of a BlackMagic PCIe extreme 3 from within FCP7 on Cineform 444 in your best quality with 0 -1023 RGB range?
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Yes and maybe. We can capture to directly on a Mac and we are working on our own capture tools to work with third party I/O cards. The existing capture tools for BlackMagic may work but we haven't tried that. Download Neo 4K and give it a try. A MacPro is fast enough for dual link RT capture.
 
Any updates?
I was thinking that this product would be a good fit for those of us that might purchase an ARRI Alexa (or whatever they name it) since they other recording solutions for that camera seem to be SR deck or S.Two, both pretty steep price points...
Cheers,
Harry
 
Yeah, I'm still curious about this product. Supposed to start shipping this month. Curious if anyone has used one in the field. Looks like such a smart idea. If it's as slick as it appears to be on the website, a very affordable alternative to other methods.
 
Steve Gal said:
That is pricey but you are getting many features. What would be the competitor of the Extreme?
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I'm just guessing though. Could be less. Maybe it will be $6995. That would be nice. But even at $8995 I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything with those options and that kind of quality that competes at that price point.
 
The hardware is complete on CineDeck (the part that needs to be done) and they are wrapping up the software (I've been working with their engineering.) It is not far away, but we aren't leading the development so I can't predict the shipping date. Nor do I influence pricing, but I think the Cinedeck/Extreme will be priced nicely.
 
I just talked with Charles (the developer) about it last week. He's got updated prices and specs coming on the website by the end of the month. He said tech was changing so fast that a few of the new pieces they're putting in the production model will affect pricing.

Mine's on pre-order and a few people I know have working units in their hands now.
 
Any word on this? I was looking at the playback options in the latest firmware release for the R1 and it says 1080 4:4:4 playback via Dual HD-SDI and wondered if anyone has tried this.
 
Spent a bit of time checking out this unit last night at a tech expo in Boston at Rule. Very impressed - I'll likely be adding it to my inventory.

Turns out that the manufacturer announced "immediate" availability yesterday - though it looks like they are a few weeks away from actually shipping (room to admit I could be wrong there).
[EDIT: Just found out they had a number of units they are shipping to fufill pre-orders, more units being produced now]
The following is excerpted from the online info:
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"Cinedeck EXTREME is available immediately with support for the following formats and frame rates:
• 8/10 bit 4:2:2 recording via HDMI/HDSDI
• 12bit 4:4:4 recording via dual link 1.5G HDSDI or single link 3G HDSDI
• HD Format Support: 720p50, 720p59.94, 720p60, 1080PsF23.98, 1080p23.98, 1080PsF24, 1080p24, 1080PsF25, 1080p25, 1080PsF29.97, 1080p29.97, 1080PsF30, 1080p30, 1080i50, 1080p50, 1080i59.94, 1080p59.94, 1080i60, and 1080p60.
• SD Format Support: 625/25 PAL, 525/29.97 NTSC, 525/23.98 NTSC and 480p (plus realtime up/down conversion with hardware de-interlacing and 3:2 pulldown removal, and 23.98 -- > 59i on playout options)
*Not all frame rates available in all codecs/quality settings, and results may vary depending on recording media.
Cinedeck EXTREME is priced at $9,995 US MSRP. An available Hi-Brite display option for maximum readability in bright sunlight is available for an additional $995. For more information, please visit www.cinedeck.com."

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Of some interest to our community is the way they built the enclosure to protect the 2.5" SSD from impact - mentioning that because there's been a lot of discussion on this forum about a concern with the EPIC SSD module design.
However, on the CineDeck Extreme, while the SSD side is well protected, the opposite (left) side is also recessed, but the Lemo connectors for aux power, time code, etc. would extend outside the protected area which could transfer any connector impact force to the receptacle area on the unit. There may still be time to fix that before the units ship.

There are a lot of features built in to the display - including histogram, improved touch screen menus, a positionable zoom area for checking focus during both record and playback. Plus all the normal audio, waveform, vector...
It is a bit power hungry, around 65W, but with both record and display in the same compact unit, I won't complain for now. The unit I saw had a V mount on the back, understand that they are planning on an A/B gold mount - unknown if that will be an adapter plate or OEM - plus there is the Lemo on the side that takes a 4pin XLR adapter cable.

There is a planned upgrade (believe they mentioned a fall time frame) to permit stereo recording - for some 3D work at lower rez, that will be a good feature. I could see this working integrated directly into a rig - it is small, lightweight and a friendly form factor for mounting.
It's recording through either HDSDI or HDMI to CineForm mov files onto the SSD - while that will certainly will not replace the RED onboard file recordings, it may be just right for some client projects.
 
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I wish Cineform was more widely used. It would be great to stay with the same codec all the way from shoot to to delivery. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, none of high end color grading systems presently work with Cineform. So, for now, you'd still need to transcode to DPX for color grading.
 
jake blackstone said:
I wish Cineform was more widely used. It would be great to stay with the same codec all the way from shoot to to delivery. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, none of high end color grading systems presently work with Cineform. So, for now, you'd still need to transcode to DPX for color grading.
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Please look again. CineForm has for licensees: Quantel, Digital Vision, Iridas, just to name a few and many I can't yet name. It is becoming widely compatible with vendors throughout the production/post/finish chain.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm
 
David Newman said:
Please look again. CineForm has for licensees: Quantel, Digital Vision, Iridas, just to name a few and many I can't yet name. It is becoming widely compatible with vendors throughout the production/post/finish chain.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm
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I just did.
The latest FilmMaster version (Digital vision), that's out and was demo'ed at NAB lists following supported video formats PRESENTLY:-)
MFX, QT, XDCAM, R3D (MX), ARRI D-21, SI-2K and Vision Research Phantom.
I'm glad, that Digital Vision is one of licensees and I'm looking froward to giving it a whirl, when Cineform is officially supported. It would help, if Cineform was more proactive in disseminating this info. Red very convincingly demonstrated, that compressed codec is the future, even for RAW format.
 
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