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Canon 7D and Nikon RAW 35mm video camera?

Wow, that would be Canon shooting themselves straight in the foot if they did something like that. Rumor is that a 24p function can be enabled by new firmware on the 5D2. So if they just come out with another camera much like the 5D2 but it can do 24p I think a lot of people are going to be pissed. These two companies are still going to be way behind the game here when put next to RED.
 
Yes, there's lots of chatter about it. Apparently Canon were stunned by the success of the 5D and have now got some of their video engineers working with their stills technicians. It amazes me that so often in companies like these one team can be holding the answers that another team can be searching for in the office next door. The 7D looks quite likely -not sure of the specs though.
 
Rumors of a big Canon press conference on Sept 1, so we'll know soon enough.

7D sounds cool, but I want a movie camera from Canon or Nikon or Panasonic. If FF35 Epic is still a year or more away, I would love to have a 4K RAW cinema camera from Canon. All I ask for is some overcranking!!

Drew, people close to Canon have been saying there will not be a 24p upgrade for the 5D2. No idea if that's true, but that's the word on the street.
 
24fps

24fps

I hope the 24p they come up with is real 24fps for the sensor, and not some kind of built in 60 to 24 conversion.

We did a 35mm filmout with some shots made with a smaller Canon camera, the still frames looked very filmlike, but you could notice a kind of double image like the sensor was going 60fps and the H.264 was encoded 30p using two frames or something. I thought they were doing that for the stabilization.

So I'm not sure it IS a good thing for the camcorder people to be poking into the DSLR's works they may just be adding 60fps to 24fps mode...

At least the RED ONE shutter rolls at near 24fps, and that makes it stand above the camcorders...
 
Tom said:
Rumors of a big Canon press conference on Sept 1, so we'll know soon enough.

7D sounds cool, but I want a movie camera from Canon or Nikon or Panasonic. If FF35 Epic is still a year or more away, I would love to have a 4K RAW cinema camera from Canon. All I ask for is some overcranking!!

Drew, people close to Canon have been saying there will not be a 24p upgrade for the 5D2. No idea if that's true, but that's the word on the street.
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I just remember hearing a rumor that "Iron Man 2" was using a couple 5D2s with a 24p function. Now if that's true and Canon won't release that firmware and just put it into another camera I think people are going to be mad. I really don't care because I've maybe used the video function on the 5D2 four times since I've gotten it. I'm just not very impressed by the quality. The low light performance is really cool but that's about it. But I might be using it as another camera on a doc that I'm getting hired on. Its going to be used as a "B" camera, maybe. The 5D2 is a great night-time timelapse camera for me and that's about it.
 
More rumors about the 7D:

- Speed (Apparently this may have the highest FPS of any DSLR ever)
- Dual Processors and Card Slots
- HD Video
- Articulating Screen
- Pro Style AF System
- Much Better LiveView Autofocus
- Noise Control
- Increased Dynamic Range

No mentions of a new Canon cinema camera, though. :(
 
Rumors...
Anyway, so the 7D will be better or worse than the 5D? Why not call it the 3D as the old eos1-3-5 cameras?

Still the aliasing on the 5d is so bad that either they solve the issue with the next camera or still it will be useless in most situations..
 
Gotta love the program. Keep inching the bar up with each model and getting the customer to buy a new camera every time. Love the business model. If you bought every Canon still along the way (1D, D60, 10D, 20D, 20Da, 5D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 1Ds, 1DMKII, 1DsMKII, etc.) I think you would have spent well over $60K (in the last 8 years). That does NOT count any Digital Rebels. I bought every 1D and 1Ds version released and groaned every time the next one came out with just enough new features to suck me in.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Gotta love the program. Keep inching the bar up with each model and getting the customer to buy a new camera every time. Love the business model. If you bought every Canon still along the way (1D, D60, 10D, 20D, 20Da, 5D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 1Ds, 1DMKII, 1DsMKII, etc.) I think you would have spent well over $60K (in the last 8 years). That does NOT count any Digital Rebels. I bought every 1D and 1Ds version released and groaned every time the next one came out with just enough new features to suck me in.

Jim
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So the RED One would be worth about $360,000 in canon dollars if you factor in updates... (Assuming you had to buy a new camera for every update!)
 
Jannard said:
Gotta love the program. Keep inching the bar up with each model and getting the customer to buy a new camera every time. Love the business model. If you bought every Canon still along the way (1D, D60, 10D, 20D, 20Da, 5D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 1Ds, 1DMKII, 1DsMKII, etc.) I think you would have spent well over $60K (in the last 8 years). That does NOT count any Digital Rebels. I bought every 1D and 1Ds version released and groaned every time the next one came out with just enough new features to suck me in.

Jim
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hear, hear! that goes double for video...

still love my Canon lenses, though...

hope my Scarlet-to-be will be able to accept them without a bunch of 3rd party hoo-ra...
 
Love to hear your point of view Jim. Great to see you comment on some of this stuff. It just convinces me that much more that you are the kind of camera company I want to buy from. Thank you.
 
Yeah, long gone are the days of DSLR cameras for me!

Just finally sold the very last piece of Photo gear and never going back to it!

Canon has just been disappointment after an other lately, I had to return/exchange both my 5D II, the 1D IIn, 1D III and the 1Ds III, and ended up loosing my A^$#@# when selling them.

NO MORE!! Enjoy the HYPE, then as soon as it comes out, there will be an other announcement of the 7D II, be sure of it.

ciao
 
Liam Hall said:
It amazes me that so often in companies like these one team can be holding the answers that another team can be searching for in the office next door.
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That is the typical company structure of large Japanese companies. Canon is little better, comparing to other larger companies. The larger companies would have more divisions in Video camera only that don't interact.
 
Jannard said:
Gotta love the program. Keep inching the bar up with each model and getting the customer to buy a new camera every time. Love the business model. If you bought every Canon still along the way (1D, D60, 10D, 20D, 20Da, 5D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 1Ds, 1DMKII, 1DsMKII, etc.) I think you would have spent well over $60K (in the last 8 years). That does NOT count any Digital Rebels. I bought every 1D and 1Ds version released and groaned every time the next one came out with just enough new features to suck me in.

Jim
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Haha well put!
I am also one of those customers.
-Started out with a eos 650, then a 10d, went on to a 20D and an eos 3 in a weak analogue moment, then a 1dsmk2 and a 5d and now finally a 1dsmk3.
After buying the last one I decided not to participate in the canon race anymore, hopefully they won´t pull me in again.
The practical difference between a 1dsmk2 and a 1dsmk3 is barely enough to motivate a change for me, but still I did it...
Hopefully REDs modular concept with the Epic will be a success and we customers won´t have to "buy a new car, just to change the motor". :thumbup1:
 
Matthew Bennett said:
In the past days I've seen rumors of a Canon 7D with a 'better than the 5D / 24p / 1080p video mode", and also of a team working on a RAW video codec for a NIKON video camera.

It's quite the race.... I wish I could beam ahead to see how it all turns out.
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They way Canon develops incremental feature advances, this race will never end. These guys cannot innovate past incremental steps, that requires a goal and a single decision maker.

I love Canon product, but to know the beast, you have to study its anatomy and publicly traded multi-national corporations exist to maintain the status quo. In Canon's case, as well as Sony and Panasonic, they control so much market share that innovation must be managed by a management bureaucracy that is in effect a committee bent on protecting the relationships between the manufacturer and the retail buyers.

If the entrenched buyers don't want it (the equipment retailers and resellers who chart their courses by looking at historical data) - the company can't sell it and it don't get made. Canon incrementally adds only enough features to keep driving demand. Do they evolve? Of course, but it has taken nearly 20 years for them to get usable video. It's a very slow process and its not revolutionary. Jim has spoiled us all into thinking every camera maker is as nimble as he is.

The iMac, iPod and iPhone were the result of a single decision maker, identifying a new market territory that was under-served or non-existent
and set a development goal to create product to fill it. The same is true of the RED.

Just a few years ago the DSLR was skittering across the ground and now it can hop. We'd all love it to sprout wings and fly but I don't think that will happen too soon. In the meantime, Jim is developing Raptors in test-tubes. I'm not being a fan here, just calling it as I see it.
 
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