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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some good RR news...

Who called it?! Oh yeah! I knew RED could pull it off.

Now the dilemma. Drop down 5K on a Red Rocket for my year old 15" MBP or just get a Mac Pro. Never thought I'd see 4K from my MBP though. Good work guys.
 
Gino Papineau said:
Hi Deanan, can i ask you what type of expresscard expander you are using with your macbookpro 17 ?

regards
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The one we used is an unreleased model. Let me check if I can say the name yet.
 
No offense intended here at all to any of the hard working RED guys, but I hope none of the development focus now suddenly shifts to dailies on a laptop. Proxies are fine for most people for that sort of thing and personally, we bought this as a desktop solution. Considering the desktop solution is barely "working" right now but we plunked down $5,000...I hope there is a very large effort to making it work quickly, as it probably should have been before it shipped.

Again, no offense to anyone. I just know people get excited about this laptop stuff. Maybe the new ideas should be worked on after the initial product is working. :-)

Looking forward to the new Rocketcine and getting HDSDI out working, audio, metadata, etc.

Thanks!
 
Kevin Wild said:
No offense intended here at all to any of the hard working RED guys, but I hope none of the development focus now suddenly shifts to dailies on a laptop. Proxies are fine for most people for that sort of thing and personally, we bought this as a desktop solution. Considering the desktop solution is barely "working" right now but we plunked down $5,000...I hope there is a very large effort to making it work quickly, as it probably should have been before it shipped.

Again, no offense to anyone. I just know people get excited about this laptop stuff. Maybe the new ideas should be worked on after the initial product is working. :-)

Looking forward to the new Rocketcine and getting HDSDI out working, audio, metadata, etc.

Thanks!
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This doesn't take any development time away from the desktop solution. All the work to get monitor output done for the desktop is what made the laptop solution viable.
 
Deanan said:
This doesn't take any development time away from the desktop solution. All the work to get monitor output done for the desktop is what made the laptop solution viable.
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It's always nice to hear it :)

Emmanuel
 
Great to hear that. Any word on when we'll have a new beta of software, Deanan?
 
Regarding the Macbook Pros,
I thought that the Expresscard slot was connected to the USB 2.0 controller, making it much slower than it would be if it was connected to a PCIe slot.

I own the 15" MBP, 2006 edition, and everything I've read says that is the case. Has this been changed for the newer models?
 
The ExpressCard is a direct link to the PCI host controller. In a nutshell, ExpressCard gives the equivalent of a single lane PCI Express slot or a max throughput of 2.5Gbps or roughtly 290MB/s less data overhead.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The ExpressCard is a direct link to the PCI host controller. In a nutshell, ExpressCard gives the equivalent of a single lane PCI Express slot or a max throughput of 2.5Gbps or roughtly 290MB/s less data overhead.
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Does this apply to the 2006 edition MBP 15" too? Cause' I can never seem to get higher than USB 2 speeds through my eSATA Expresscard adapter.


ALSO, regarding that 290MB/sec throughput (minus overhead), we know that 36MB/sec is transferred into the card for the 4K 24fps REDCODE footage, how much data is being transferred out of the card at full 4K resolution?
I'm trying to figure out how much the Expresscard will slow down the RedRocket's potential.

EDIT: Regardless, still very exciting though and I know it will be faster than what my MBP processor could do on its own!
 
Justin Anderson said:
Does this apply to the 2006 edition MBP 15" too? Cause' I can never seem to get higher than USB 2 speeds through my eSATA Expresscard adapter.


ALSO, regarding that 290MB/sec throughput (minus overhead), we know that 36MB/sec is transferred into the card for the 4K 24fps REDCODE footage, how much data is being transferred out of the card at full 4K resolution?
I'm trying to figure out how much the Expresscard will slow down the RedRocket's potential.

EDIT: Regardless, still very exciting though and I know it will be faster than what my MBP processor could do on its own!
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Funny, all I keep remembering is the REDRAY at reduser party vegas...

4k was streaming at 10MB per sec. :beer:
 
Amazing news!

I like a portable RR variant whatever it is...!!!???

Portable 4K/2K playback is my dream...!!!
 
I hope FCP 7 will somehow actually use the new SDK, and do so in 2009.

Of course, the amount of editing on set isn't dictated by the hardware, but it would be nice to have no hardware limit and instead naturally find your own.

Can you imagine how f'ing swheet it would be to cut, RT, 4k debayer, outputting 1080p to a Panasonic 25", use a second LCD if convenient, and my favorite mouse?! hehe...

I haven't been keeping up with the gazillion threads about RED Rocket or FCS3 so if I said something that is officially not going to happen pls let me know.
 
Justin Anderson said:
Does this apply to the 2006 edition MBP 15" too? Cause' I can never seem to get higher than USB 2 speeds through my eSATA Expresscard adapter.
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Yes, I have a 15" MBP from October 2006 and it works great. It's still a workhorse and my mobile DIT station. I run an eSATA RAID on it all the time that I can benchmark at over 180MB/s sustained when connected to this system.

You do have to be aware of various eSATA adapters and how they are implemented. I also can't comment on the prior model with the Core Duo CPU and lacking Firewire-800. Those systems were a different type of unit and may very well have some serious limitations as you say. That series was not highly regarded by most of the "pros" out there.

ALSO, regarding that 290MB/sec throughput (minus overhead), we know that 36MB/sec is transferred into the card for the 4K 24fps REDCODE footage, how much data is being transferred out of the card at full 4K resolution?
I'm trying to figure out how much the Expresscard will slow down the RedRocket's potential.
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While it's exciting that they have 4K playback working from a laptop, what this really shows is that the RED Rocket™ is at least functional via an ExpressCard expander. The real question remains of how functional it will be. Like you say, it's about ~36MB/s going to the card to play 4K out at real-time. However, the path to send data back is different matter and then what do we do with it when it comes back? If the RED Rocket™ is soaking up the Expresscard slot, then that really just leaves us with Firewire-800 to connect external storage to.

Uncompressed 2K 16:9 @ 10bit would be 8.44MB/frame. A 24fps stream of that would be 202MB/s. So theoretically, there should be enough bandwidth to feed 4K 16:9 REDCODE to the RED Rocket™ on a laptop and have it return uncompressed full quality 2K images to the computer. Then it's up to the computer to create DPX frames or compress to the video codec of choice. So real-time 2K could be a possibility from the Rocket on a laptop. It depends how fast the system's CPU is and other connected storage. All in theory. In reality, I doubt we'll be able to crank out full-quality 2K/1080p dailies from any current Macbook Pro and probably not from any PC notebook unless it's using a desktop CPU. OTOH, doing this should still be a lot faster than without the RED Rocket™.

Another bright side to this is that ExpressCard 2.0 has been completed and we should start seeing it in new notebook systems late this year or early next year. That gives us double the bandwidth of the current exprescard -- going from 2.5Gbit/s to 5.0Gbit/s.
 
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