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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

I feel a little better about not knowing the release date....

Rick Presas said:
The Moral is, the customer wins. Period.

If nothing else, the REDvolution will work to put better products in our hands a t better prices. DV tapes did the exact same thing 10odd years ago. Think about where you would have been as a filmmaker without DV. Some of us would be shooting crappy looking video, others scrounging their pennies together to buy 16mm filmstock, still others, like myself, would never have even had a viable avenue from which to start and would not be filmmakers at all. You would have had a sub-par product, or no money in your pockets.

Now in a few years we'll get to ask ourselves the same question about RED. We're actually pretty lucky to get to be some of the frontrunners of the REDvolution. So be patient :)
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That's a good way to look at it, pioneers of RED :coolgleamA:
 
Simon Valderrama said:
uhm, i guess it's just partly because of that.
Mostly i think it's due to the fact that disclosing too much in terms of specs etc. was giving too much advantage to competitors who have bigger capitals and resources that make them able to react fast.
As an example now Nokia makes iPhone clones, but if Apple had discosed sooner iPhone specs long before, Nokia could have had released clones alot earlier ... now the industry knows RED is not a joke or vapor, so now they're ready to react fast. An "announced revolution" can work just once, when your enemy thinks you're not a menace.
Think of the cuban revolution and how Che got killed in Bolivia. He could fool the US once, not twice.
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Partly? Yes.

Just? I don't think so.

Jim posted a year ago that he was watching what he was disclosing online due to competitors, yet we still got to be "in hte loop", albeit a gen or 2 back.

As Mike pointed out, his reasons outlined in his Recon post had to do directly with the folks here who didn't "get it". Now we have much less "as we go" info.

-Steve
 
Steven Caesare said:
Partly? Yes.

Just? I don't think so.

Jim posted a year ago that he was watching what he was disclosing online due to competitors, yet we still got to be "in hte loop", albeit a gen or 2 back.

As Mike pointed out, his reasons outlined in his Recon post had to do directly with the folks here who didn't "get it". Now we have much less "as we go" info.

-Steve
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Yup I remember when I was first introduced to RED, the thing that impressed me the most was the CEO to consumer base, "tightness" that existed whereby Jim would post, and speak effectively like any other guy (except he knew things).

This is what got me more and more interested, and has me saving my nickles and dimes to get a Scarlet...

shame the (to use a term from Steve) "Forum Jockeys" ruined it for the rest of us...smh
 
The impatient customer (us) is but one piece in the big puzzle. RED will have the Scarlet ready for this year, that is a fact. Because they can't afford to develop just 1 year more to get it perfect :smash: and as some already pointed out, the competitions doesn't sleep (anymore).
Income comes from sales, development only costs a lot of money. So get ur purses ready ladies, for this fall you're gonna need them! :hurray:

Yup I remember when I was first introduced to RED, the thing that impressed me the most was the CEO to consumer base, "tightness" that existed whereby Jim would post, and speak effectively like any other guy (except he knew things).
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Yeah I also kinda like this, you feel like family here. But it also bears some dangers in this, Jim is like a guru to some here - and you don't question a gurus words... But otherwise it's kool :emote_hippie:
 
I believe the disclosure has nothing to do with impatient forum-jockeys. It started as Canon let Red know about what their plans are (and released a firmware-update with a pun poster). Somehow RED probably did believe their plans would be ignored long enough. It's clear that they shut off the communication now. They have to release something better at the same price as Canon, leaving them no room to speed up their specs.
 
Yannick Hagman said:
I believe the disclosure has nothing to do with impatient forum-jockeys. It started as Canon let Red know about what their plans are (and released a firmware-update with a pun poster). Somehow RED probably did believe their plans would be ignored long enough. It's clear that they shut off the communication now. They have to release something better at the same price as Canon, leaving them no room to speed up their specs.
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Nothing to do with it? Really?

Originally Posted by Steven Caesare
I can't help but think that this has much to do with people here who just couldn't keep a lid on themselves.

Watching the camera development process happen as transparently as RED has been was an amazing process. The involvment with the community was even more amazing.

Yet, despite the always-present disclaimer in Jim's signature, people became impatient and demanding.

It's too bad. I am not yet a customer... but definitiely a fan. And since day one I got the notion that the product was not going to be any further out than if it were developed behind closed doors, but instead I got to observe and even participate along the way.

Now it would appear some of that process will no longer be transparent to us, and the impatient forum-jockeys share much of the blame.

-Steve
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Steve... there is a lot of truth in your post. Transparency is a good thing only as long as the troops fully embrace it, including the hard part (schedule). Some want us to be unconventional in all ways that include them in the process and understand that the schedule is a moving target "depending". Others like the sound of the concept but seem to revert back to "but you said and I need it now". It is easy to see why no company will try this transparency thing. It is very difficult to pull off. Our goal now is a modified approach, somewhere in the middle. We'll see how that goes.

Jim
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Believe what you'd like, but there are Jim's words on the matter...

-Steve
 
Ethan Cooper said:
I just watched that too and he didn't exactly lay out that fall timeline with much confidence. Oh little Scarlet, I miss you already.
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would be, could be, SHOULD be ...... hopefully :gun:
 
Yannick Hagman said:
They have to release something better at the same price as Canon, leaving them no room to speed up their specs.
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Red doesn't need to compete with Canon on price until Canon produces a camera that competes with Red as a true motion picture camera. Consumer grade video from a DSLR isn't it.
 
David Rasberry said:
Red doesn't need to compete with Canon on price until Canon produces a camera that competes with Red as a true motion picture camera. Consumer grade video from a DSLR isn't it.
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correct, but I think people will jump on it because it's available
 
My hunch is that the next 12-18 months will pan out something like this:

(please note that I have NO insider info... I'm just guessing based on spending far too long reading the rumour sites)...

  • The first Scarlets & Epics will start shipping before the end of 2009
  • Canon will announce its rumoured new XL camera with APS-C sized sensor and 56Mbps MPEG4 recording before the end of 2009.
  • The Samsung NX will be released some time "soon" and it will be comparable to the GH1 in terms of video performance.
  • Panasonic will announce a GH1 / HVX200 cross-breed (i.e. large sensor in a "video camera" body with decent audio inputs and respectable bitrate) early 2010
  • The Nikon D300s/D400/D750 whatever will be announced by the end of August 2009. But it will still have the same horrible rolling shutter issues as the D90.

My hunch is that RED will be ahead of the competition for at least the next 18 months in two very important ways: 1) Compressed RAW (the main advantage in my book) and 2) Modularity.
 
Jack Kelly said:
My hunch is that the next 12-18 months will pan out something like this:

(please note that I have NO insider info... I'm just guessing based on spending far too long reading the rumour sites)...

  • The first Scarlets & Epics will start shipping before the end of 2009
  • Canon will announce its rumoured new XL camera with APS-C sized sensor and 56Mbps MPEG4 recording before the end of 2009.
  • The Samsung NX will be released some time "soon" and it will be comparable to the GH1 in terms of video performance.
  • Panasonic will announce a GH1 / HVX200 cross-breed (i.e. large sensor in a "video camera" body with decent audio inputs and respectable bitrate) early 2010
  • The Nikon D300s/D400/D750 whatever will be announced by the end of August 2009. But it will still have the same horrible rolling shutter issues as the D90.

My hunch is that RED will be ahead of the competition for at least the next 18 months in two very important ways: 1) Compressed RAW (the main advantage in my book) and 2) Modularity.
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100% agreed!!
 
Gerald Menclik said:
correct, but I think people will jump on it because it's available
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I have a T1i and here's a video shot at 1080P (probably compressed a bit on Vimeo, but its still "HD"

http://www.vimeo.com/5457078

Does it look good? yes, but nowhere NEAR to what the Scarlet will be able to achieve.

To me, Scarlet is more of a full blown motion camera that can take amazing stills...
 
I want my Red now!!!!!!!! :emote_throw_toys_out_of_pram:
 
Well my bike was just stolen this morning... so there goes a month's worth of contributions to my RED fund. I suppose on the bright side of things I don't have to choose this month between more accessories and a new bike. Plenty of time to replenish the fund.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Well my bike was just stolen this morning... so there goes a month's worth of contributions to my RED fund. I suppose on the bright side of things I don't have to choose this month between more accessories and a new bike. Plenty of time to replenish the fund.
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Dang man that's terrible, was it insured?
 
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