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Panavision Anamorphics on the 5D2

Tom Lowe

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I had a chance to try some Panavision anamorphics on my 5D2 today. I'm prepping for some 2nd unit work shooting digital timelapse that is supposed to match 1st unit's 35mm film anamorphic. I was surprised to discover that the 50mm Primo fits and works well using one of the Panavision>EOS adapters that was custom built recently at the Hollywood location.

The 50mm Primo T2 covers about 80% of the sensor, resulting in a nearly square "4K" image, meaning that it's roughly 4K wide. But once you unsqueeze the image at 2:1, you are left with something like 3K by 6K! This should be a lot of fun!

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Sample shot:

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If anyone is interested I will try to get some more pics and info as the shoot progresses.
 
Whoa whoa whoa

I thought you couldn't get these on the camera without having to modify the body? Or you can get a Panavision mount no issue, but PL won't work?

Fill me in.

I'm okay with a 50 and up coverage m'self. But would be fine with even less for Music Videos and Short Filmms.

Divulge

Berserk wasn't good man sorry
 
The 35mm Primo fit but the amount of the 35mm sensor that it covered was much smaller than what the 50mm covers, so I figured the 50mm Primo would be best.

You have to figure that a 50mm on a FF35 = 35mm on a motion 35mm camera. Then once you add in the anamorphic factor (with some side cropping), the 50mm Primo is actually the equivalent of roughly a 20mm lens on a standard 35mm cinema camera! 50mm sure doesn't sound wide, but it is! The fun part of this shoot is that we will have a number of anamorphic lenses, going up to 180mm I think.

Some of the wider E and C series anamorphics did not fit, because they bump into the plastic well behind the lens ring.

Keep in mind that IMO, this is really only useful for timelapse, shooting 21mp stills full frame. Once you get into video mode 1080p, it would be kind of pointless to use anamorphics, because the sensor area is cropped (smaller) and you would actually lose resolution from 1080p I think. But once DSMC FF35 comes out, it will be open seasons with these anamorphics!!
 
The goddamn thing weighs 20 pounds! The 5D2 seems like a rear lens cap on it! :)
 
Brook Willard said:
Looks like there was an intense discussion around the white board in the background before the picture was taken...
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Heh heh, this is the result of the fact that I never went to film school. A lot of times people have to explain really basic stuff to me.... The guy at Panavision was giving me a quick lesson on why longer focal length anamorphics cover a much larger area of a FF35 sensor. :blush:
 
wow... inspiring

post some more as possible as you can

nice work... great idea

and about the timelapses unfreakinreal, marvellous

Thanks Tom

keep going
 
Tom,

it's amazing what you are doing.

But from my point of view even use of Panavision anamorphics can't "save" a sort of dignity about 5DMK2 as a motion picture camera.

Simply, it's not about Canon, 5Dmk2,... it's about compression involved and artifacts that have and even use of best lenses can't keep

things going on towards a Panavision quality widescreen picture... just for example Canon's 5Dmk2 "HD video" doesn't have Todd-AO camera quality picture at the end.

Anyway it could be interesting experiment and of course I'll wish you the best.

Hope I didn't upset you with my opinion.
 
Tom said:
Heh heh, this is the result of the fact that I never went to film school. A lot of times people have to explain really basic stuff to me.... The guy at Panavision was giving me a quick lesson on why longer focal length anamorphics cover a much larger area of a FF35 sensor. :blush:
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Trust me - they don't normally teach that stuff at film school - at least that's not the impression I would have from all the film school students I have ever dealt with!
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Tom,

it's amazing what you are doing.

But from my point of view even use of Panavision anamorphics can't "save" a sort of dignity about 5DMK2 as a motion picture camera.

Simply, it's not about Canon, 5Dmk2,... it's about compression involved and artifacts that have and even use of best lenses can't keep

things going in a Panavision quality widescreen direction... just for example Canon 5Dmk2 doesn't have Todd-AO camera quality picture at the end.

Anyway it could be interesting experiment and of course I'll wish you the best.

Hope I didn't upset you with my opinion.
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Uh, Sanjin, he's using it for Timelapse, not motion, so I'm pretty sure it will be shooting RAW - as it's intended use would be.
 
Craig Parkes said:
Uh, Sanjin, he's using it for Timelapse, not motion, so I'm pretty sure it will be shooting RAW - as it's intended use would be.
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Correct.

Like I mentioned earlier, I think using these anamorphics on the 5D2 in video mode would be worthless if you are trying to finish at 1080p.

Shooting full 21mp RAW stills on the Canon with Panavision anamorphics results in timelapse frames roughly 7700 x 3700! Obviously, there is plenty of room for downsampling to 4K!
 
Cool stuff as usual Tom; any chance of us getting a peek at the final product once its shot?

And believe me, that kinda stuff isn't taught at the majority of film schools. Maybe the ones with advanced cinematography though.
 
Craig Parkes said:
Uh, Sanjin, he's using it for Timelapse, not motion, so I'm pretty sure it will be shooting RAW - as it's intended use would be.
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Craig,

sorry but I forgot it.

I thought that he is going to do the same like this example below but with anamorphics:

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Panavision lens on Canon EOS camera...

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Also could be that Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III is even better choice for that sort of "Baraka" movie timelapse style...

But maybe I am totally wrong again...

So let us have a look at the final result.
 
Tom said:
Correct.

Like I mentioned earlier, I think using these anamorphics on the 5D2 in video mode would be worthless if you are trying to finish at 1080p.

Shooting full 21mp RAW stills on the Canon with Panavision anamorphics results in timelapse frames roughly 7700 x 3700! Obviously, there is plenty of room for downsampling to 4K!
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I don't know if you're right about the resolution, since the 5d only captures a picture a little less than 6k wide you can't get more resolution in there.
 
Kenneth Elkington said:
I don't know if you're right about the resolution, since the 5d only captures a picture a little less than 6k wide you can't get more resolution in there.
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So how do you measure it? The image area the 5D2 captures with the Primo 50mm is roughly 4K x 4K - not quite but nearly square. So do you expand horizontally to 8K x 4K? Or reduce vertically to 4K wide x 2K tall and just gain all the extra detail?

I guess you could just figure out what your final post width will be -- 4K or 2K or whatever -- resize it to that width, then squeeze it vertically to fit?
 
If you are just shooting day exterior time-lapse, is there much reason to use anamorphic lenses versus just cropping your 12MP images to 2.40? Are you really going to see a lot of anamorphic lens artifacts to make it necessary to use the same lenses as the main production, which I assume is shooting on film anyway?
 
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