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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED Rocket update...

Probably a dumb question, but anyway you guys can make an adapter to attatch this baby to a Macbook Pro. Maybe an adapter through the express card slot or something (don't know how this works).
 
AJA KONA Card

AJA KONA Card

Can the Red Rocket hardware / drivers co-exist with an AJA Kona (say, oh, Kona LHi or Kona 3) within the same MacPro? That would be sweeeeet!
 
Faster than real-time? Can I plug it in, jump to the future and pick up a Scarlet? That would allow my production schedule to move up quite a bit. Set the controls for the future!
 
What a shame about 5k... I was looking forward to the extra photons and people didn't seem too worried about focus pulling 5k. 4k on Mysterium-X is still rocking though, obviously, but could there be an option to record a 5k wide 2.4:1?

I suppose that may be a little closer to 4k 16:9's total pixel count, so maybe that could be an "easy" feature to add and if Red Rocket were able to handle it... :crossing fingers:
 
Jerrod Cordell said:
Probably a dumb question, but anyway you guys can make an adapter to attatch this baby to a Macbook Pro. Maybe an adapter through the express card slot or something (don't know how this works).
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Hi Jerrod,

Unfortunately this won't work.

The only bus access on a MacBook Pro is via the express card 34 slot.

I can bore you with details if you like offline, but it's just doesn't have enough bandwidth.

I like your thinking though :)
 
I'm with Brook on this... Trying to figure out just how best to configure a Mac Pro here...

With the early '08 Mac Pro and the current Nehalem model, the first two PCIe slots are v2.0 x16. The other two slots are v1.0 x4 slots. Why Apple did this is hard to say, a lot of us were hoping for those two x4 slots to be upgraded to x8 v2.0 with the Nehalem upgrade, but it didn't happen.

Many of the more capable storage/RAID cards are x8 or better these days. The bigger 3Gbps and the newer 6Gbps ATTO cards are actually x8 PCIe v2.0. Moving such a card to a v1.0 x4 slot negates most of its abilities and you may as well trade it in for some much less capable x4 4-port SATA card.

It seems with the Mac Pro, we're going to have the following choice... Performance graphics, performance storage, Red Rocket; Now pick any two.

And to the guys saying "just go with a PC" or whatever, that's not always an option. And many of us, or at least in my situation, will probably have both a Mac Pro and and a PC equipped with a Red Rocket card at some point.

Thankfully, in my current situation, I'm not in as much of a bind as Brook. In one workstation, I have the CalDigit RAID card and I can pull my LSI controller for the LTO-4 tape to allow room for the Rocket because the CalDigit card and my eSATA controller both only require x4. I can move the LTO tape over to the other Mac that has the ATTO HBA. I'll have to buy a new tape drive since my Quantum and ATTO don't get along, but oh well..
 
Stephen Lovett said:
Hi Jerrod,

Unfortunately this won't work.

The only bus access on a MacBook Pro is via the express card 34 slot.

I can bore you with details if you like offline, but it's just doesn't have enough bandwidth.

I like your thinking though :)
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That's one of the things we'll test but bandwidth is severely limited. It'll be interesting to see if it provides a viable/useful workflow.
 
I'm sure you are right

I'm sure you are right

Curran Giddens said:
Peter is probably referring to the nVidia GeForce GT 120.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC002ZM/A
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I'm sure you are correct Curran, but unfortunately this card only works with the newest MacPro's right now. Apple has promised a version that will work with the early 2008 Mac Pro's but it's not out yet.

Avid requires a Nvidia card, and I have an ATI, so I'm been watching for this...

I love Apple but this is one of those areas where I get a little grumpy. Late to market and a poor value compared to what PC's have available.

Steve
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'm with Brook on this... Trying to figure out just how best to configure a Mac Pro here...

With the early '08 Mac Pro and the current Nehalem model, the first two PCIe slots are v2.0 x16. The other two slots are v1.0 x4 slots. Why Apple did this is hard to say, a lot of us were hoping for those two x4 slots to be upgraded to x8 v2.0 with the Nehalem upgrade, but it didn't happen.

Many of the more capable storage/RAID cards are x8 or better these days. The bigger 3Gbps and the newer 6Gbps ATTO cards are actually x8 PCIe v2.0. Moving such a card to a v1.0 x4 slot negates most of its abilities and you may as well trade it in for some much less capable x4 4-port SATA card.

It seems with the Mac Pro, we're going to have the following choice... Performance graphics, performance storage, Red Rocket; Now pick any two.

And to the guys saying "just go with a PC" or whatever, that's not always an option. And many of us, or at least in my situation, will probably have both a Mac Pro and and a PC equipped with a Red Rocket card at some point.

Thankfully, in my current situation, I'm not in as much of a bind as Brook. In one workstation, I have the CalDigit RAID card and I can pull my LSI controller for the LTO-4 tape to allow room for the Rocket because the CalDigit card and my eSATA controller both only require x4. I can move the LTO tape over to the other Mac that has the ATTO HBA. I'll have to buy a new tape drive since my Quantum and ATTO don't get along, but oh well..
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How much bandwidth do you guys want to sustain from disk?
 
Is AJA making this card for RED?

Questions:

Is there/will there be:

TC over HDSDI?
Optional Burned in TC on output? (think dallies)
Additional TC output from the card or BOB (break out box)?
Will FCP/Adobe timeline be playable through the card?

David
 
The ATI 4870 as well as the other GeForce options (even the older 8800GT and Quadro options) should all work in the x4 slots as well. We would just be sacrificing performance / bandwidth for those cards.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
...With the early '08 Mac Pro and the current Nehalem model, the first two PCIe slots are v2.0 x16. The other two slots are v1.0 x4 slots. Why Apple did this is hard to say, a lot of us were hoping for those two x4 slots to be upgraded to x8 v2.0 with the Nehalem upgrade, but it didn't happen...
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Jeff - the slots in the 2009 Nehalem are ALL v.2.0 - even the two x4 slots. So they are equivalent of v.1.0 x8 slot as far as bandwidth is concerned. I know that some storage cards are capable to utilize the v.2.0 x8 slot's performance, but do You really need the 4GB/s data rate? I don't think so...

My recommendation for a Mac Pro config based on the current Nehalem model:

Slot 1 x16 - GeForce GTX 285
Slot 2 x16 - RED ROCKET
Slot 3 x04 - storage controller
Slot 4 x04 - AJA / BMD pro-audio-video I/O card

This will give You 2GB/s storage (providing Your drives are that fast) and the RED ROCKET at full speed...

Just my two cents...

Peter
 
Here are the specs for the 285:

geforcegtx285macedition.png


NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285

Core Clock (texture and ROP units) - 648 MHz
Shader Clock (Stream Processors) - 1476 MHz
Memory Clock (Clock rate / Data rate) - 1242 MHz / 2484 MHz
Total Video Memory - 1 GB
Memory Interface - 512-bits
Total Memory Bandwidth - 159.0 GB/s
Processor Cores - 240
ROP Units - 32
Texture Filtering Units - 80
Texture Filtering Rate - 51.8 GigaTexels/sec
Connectors - 2 x Dual-Link DVI-I
RAMDACs - 400 MHz
Bus Technology - PCI Express 2.0 x16
Form Factor - Dual Slot

Anticipated street price for the Mac Edition - less the $500,- USD

Due out this month!!!

:devil: Peter
 
Why Apple did this is hard to say, a lot of us were hoping for those two x4 slots to be upgraded to x8 v2.0 with the Nehalem upgrade, but it didn't happen.
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That was asked a lot over the Apple board but... no one was hearing; a couple more PCIe slots would be also welcome.

Actually when working with native R3d files the sustain read from HDDs isn't a big issue with RedCode36 which at 4K 25Fps with audio is something around 50MB/s, something that a 4X RAID card connected to an external DAS is able to handle.

But with new RedCode for Epic and Scarlet coming out... I'd like to hear from you the optimal sustain read/write from HDDs.


Actually for basic editing RED materials I can use whatever Mac Pro but
the workstation I use for grading and finishing RED>DPX footage (which is the same I use for uncompressed HD editing) is connected to a DAS of 15 HDDs 15TB and actually (70% full) has 590MB/s sustained read/write usually when I can archive projects frequently is able to handle more bandwidth.

I use an Atto 8X Raid card I don't know how it would perform in the 4X slot.
 
So, my question Deanan is this:

Assuming I have the above config and I have two 30" ACDs connected to the 285 and SONY 4K projector to the RED ROCKET. Am I able to see realtime playback of 4K version of my timeline on the projector, while watching 2K version on one of my 30" at the same time?

Basically - is the actual 4K output from the RED ROCKET (via the BOB) independent from the RED ROCKET providing real-time performance internally to FCP?

Thanks for taking time to answer all these questions...

:) Peter
 
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