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Scarlet small monitoring options

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It's still too early to tell what thoughts the Red folk have had about this, but may I humbly suggest that there be a comparatively small and compact monitoring option for the scarlet (it's the fixed lens 3K scarlet I'm thinking about).

The smallest, cheapest scarlet can hit a market that really none of the other cameras need worry about... but that market is not going to be interested in a 6 inch monitor hanging off the side on a knuckle joint arm effectively doubling it's size.

So yes. I assume this has been thought of and an appropriate option will be available... but certainly the greatest thing about the lower spec end of the scarlet range is it capability to be a really compact run and gun machine...so we can't have 10 things hanging off the side, and we can't spend 20 minutes putting it together before we can shoot.

Thanks. I hope this works out... because I really am looking forward to this Scarlet:violent:
 
This should work

This should work

these monitors look pretty tiny to me.
 
Ralph B. said:
these monitors look pretty tiny to me.
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nah, them be old.

RED_Scarlet_Fixed_05.jpg

that's the newest thing we've seen

which clearly have a larger screen, but why, oh why, would you not want a screen atleast that size?
 
You're correct

You're correct

You are correct Nigel, your picture is the most recent RED displayed.

but....

I wouldn't assume that they dropped the idea of a monitor of the size in the earlier images. One doesn't necessarily preclude the other. They still show it as one of the options in the exploded DSMC. In addition they still mention the 3.0" LCD option in their page about explaining the module options.

Of course everything changes, we have learned to count on it with RED, we've also learned that with RED they usually change for the better.
 
Ralph B. said:
They still show it as one of the options in the exploded DSMC.
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Yet that is from the same source that shows a FF scarlet with a release date of Winter 2009. Winter was like so two months ago.
 
Nigel Wallace said:
nah, them be old.

RED_Scarlet_Fixed_05.jpg

that's the newest thing we've seen

which clearly have a larger screen, but why, oh why, would you not want a screen atleast that size?
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I think that's the existing and already available 5.6" RED LCD. They probably just slapped it on there to show the size of the fixed brain. Link HERE.

Now whether or not they'll be including these older monitors with the fixed Scarlet (which I highly doubt; they're $1700USD) is yet to be seen.
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Yeah it was those photos from the recent Reduser party that got me thinking about this.

The ones on the earlier Renders are actually much more what I'm looking for.

Nigel Wallace said:
why, oh why, would you not want a screen atleast that size?
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Lots of reasons mate. I'm talking about the $3500 scarlet. The camera that can be sold in the tens of thousands to people looking to run around with them. It must have an option to have a small, discrete, easy to use monitor that doesn't double it's size. I personally wouldn't mind it being a little bigger than the one in the render... 3" I think someone said that one was... but I love that it's mounted directly to the top, NOT on a knuckle joint arm on the side, which is perhaps my least favourite feature on the Red I've got.

I would be open to the idea of a 5.6" monitor that mounts DIRECTLY to the top of the camera in exactly the way they show in the renders. NOT the way they have in the Reduser photos.

It's also about being able to set THAT model of scarlet up in a way that can feasibly be stored with no problems completely assembled.

It takes ages to assemble my Red One and I understand the "modularity is king" concept and I love it. But there are going to be MANY people looking at this 3K Fixed Lens Scarlet who could be anything from young aspiring filmmakers to ENG cameramen or roaming reporters who would love a camera like this, but can't be messing around with taking 5 minutes screwing the separate monitor on and messing with this ridiculous knuckle joint thing and so on.

(and please don't write back saying you can do it in X amount less than 5 minutes because my basic point is that it's too cumbersome for those applications).


So yes. If you want to use a full 7 inch Red Pro monitor with your 3K fixed lens Scarlet then all the saints be with you but your application is clearly different to mine.
 
yeah EVF is cool, and I'll probably grab one, but I also want to be able to walk (and run) around more freely than that, but still with a nice convenient form factor.

They're geniuses at red who can produce this freakish futuristic camera. I doubt they'll have a huge problem with such a simple design flaw.

Look I'll compromise here.

If they can take the regular Red 5.6" monitor, and make it attachable directly to the top of the scarlet in the way you can see in the renders at the top of the page, rather than the cruddy redarm style in the RedUser party photos... then I will be happy.

Or what about a 4" monitor... it's the 2/3" sensor so focus is easier, and we mayget AF on the lens anyway (though probably not)... and I can use the readouts and false colour to help with exposure etc.

It's just that bigger isn't always better for on-camera monitoring... but using an EVF isn't a very flexible solution either.
 
yeah, so as i understand you are doing things mainly run-and-gun style? so the monitor won't be the best options especially when you'r outside! Maybe not so flexible but faaast .... :)
 
well, now we've switched from the size of the monitor to how it is mounted. I do agree there, the knuckle arms seem to be a weak hold for them, but I still believe the bigger the screen the better (to an extent). I mean, most people say they prefer the larger screens for focus due to the high quality image being produced through the camera, thus they say it's needed for focus and the like, I've never dealt with a screen on a larger quality camera. Of course you could always use an external monitor, but you know.... not all of us have much money, which is why we are talking about the fixed lense.
 
Well yeah I agree about the money...as I don't have much right now either, though that's not the reason I'm looking at THIS Scarlet... this model fits my needs perfectly...

I also suspect that focus will be less of a difficult affair on the 2/3" sensor on these scarlets.

I've given it some thought and I'll concede that the 5.6" Red monitor would be fine if mounted hard directly to the top of the camera, and it can fold in somehow. Like fold down or something... then I can put a plastic cap on the monitor when I put the camera away and it still has a nice compact form factor.

EDIT: having said that... it's $1700 bucks... about 50% of the camera price dumped on top for monitoring. So hmm... I don't know. That sort of swings me back to thinking now that something smaller (hopefully allowing it to be:) also cheaper would be an excellent option for people looking to only spend about $4000 to get a start in the Red family.

I'm not a cinematographer. I've got camera gurus I work with and they're the ones who deal with our Red One... what I need is for all those times between jobs when I want to run out and shoot a short film with 2-3 people and just work on my storytelling... I want Red's idea of a handycam.

I was honestly looking at getting one of the small AVCHD cameras to run around with... but I'd much rather grab this bottom end Scarlet which will perform better etc. etc.

I just need it to be flexible, easily usable, and compact with a monitor I can mount on it permanently (but by permanently I just mean leave it on not glue it on.)
 
Yes to RED making a small monitor that folds up on top of the camera.... and yes to being able to use the existing RED 5.6" and 7" monitors... and yes to ALL the brains having a HDMI port in case you want to use something else.... hope that addresses some of your concerns :)
 
Bwahahahahaha!

I never doubted you for a seccond.

Thanks lads. I'll sign off now and make sure my penny jar is putting on weight.
 
excellent news jarred! what about the HDMI ports putting out a more standardized resolution so that there's no cutting into the HUD? i can't wait for these cameras!!!
 
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