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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Pro Plasma... something or other

Mark Phelan said:
Can anyone tell me what connections one needs from a Kona 3 card for the monitor?
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HD-SDI. Either single or dual link, depending upon how you want it configured.

What about calibration? What is the preferred method these days that is "affordable"?
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Well, probably the most "affordable" approach is to use home theater tools and techniques, since they're based on Rec.709. A good source for information on monitor calibration is the AVS Forum (www.avsforum.com).

And is there something else that must be purchased along with the monitor to make it work as a grading monitor?
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Aside from the HD-SDI module, no. It's already a proper HD video monitor. You don't have to "fake it," although as you seem to already understand, you do need to calibrate it.
 
After a great conversation with Peter Majtan at NAB, I learned about the 11 series. Just receive TH-50PF11UK. The dual HD-SDI Hardware plugin will cost you more than the screen, but if you want 10 bit quality, that's what is takes', Still under 5K. The first thing I did when I received it was hook it up to my Blue ray and watch "The curious case of Benjamin Button"... Incredible. Now the real test. Color correcting R3ds.
 
Perfect!
Thanks guys, just hanging here with a Cine-tal pricelist in hand...
 
mmost said:
It allows you to monitor 4:4:4. My feeling is that if you're doing DI work, and you're looking through a LUT, this can have some value, although the vast majority of the time you won't see any difference. If you're doing HD video work, there's no need for 4:4:4 monitoring because the vast majority of your delivery elements are much more likely to be 4:2:2 anyway.

Don't forget that the picture monitor is only one part of a proper monitoring chain. The other component is a scope set, and if you're going to look at 4:4:4, you'll need a 4:4:4 capable scope set as well.
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Michael, thank you for your helpful answers! I have no problem pleading ignorance when it comes to subjects I know little about. I can ALWAYS learn something new.

When you say "scope set" are you talking about scopes like in the application Color in FCS? Or are you talking about a piece of hardware, a sole purpose device for calibration? And a follow up, what about a Spyder or similar device that one would attach to the front of the screen?

Just saw this combination at B&H. Is this the setup we're talking about? Much better price than what I found before.

http://tinyurl.com/pzoyo4
 
Mark Phelan said:
Michael, thank you for your helpful answers! I have no problem pleading ignorance when it comes to subjects I know little about. I can ALWAYS learn something new.

When you say "scope set" are you talking about scopes like in the application Color in FCS? Or are you talking about a piece of hardware, a sole purpose device for calibration? And a follow up, what about a Spyder or similar device that one would attach to the front of the screen?

Just saw this combination at B&H. Is this the setup we're talking about? Much better price than what I found before.

http://tinyurl.com/pzoyo4
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Hes talking about dedicated scopes. Black magic just announced Ultra Scope which is only $695 + plus the cost of a host computer. It does not support dual link as of yet.

You'll also need a color management system such cineSpace which would consist of a hardware calibration puck and various pieces of software used to create a profile and/or LUT for your display to attain the desired viewing environment. You may also need a an external signal processing box such as a Davio which can be used in conjunction with your color management software.
 
Emery Wells said:
Hes talking about dedicated scopes. Black magic just announced Ultra Scope which is only $695 + plus the cost of a host computer. It does not support dual link as of yet.
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But it does support 4:4:4 via 3Gb HD-SDI. Now, if they would only make a dual link to 3Gb mini-converter (something I and probably at least 1000 other people have suggested to them....).

You'll also need a color management system such cineSpace which would consist of a hardware calibration puck and various pieces of software used to create a profile and/or LUT for your display to attain the desired viewing environment. You may also need a an external signal processing box such as a Davio which can be used in conjunction with your color management software.
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Only if you're doing DI work intended for film recording. If you're doing HD video work (i.e., Rec 709) you just need to set up the monitor properly.
 
I got a Panasonic 42" 1080p plasma for the home last year, and just knew that that damn thing was damn near "broadcast" accurate. It clips whites, but I always figured that could be tuned out in a service menu.

Now I'm hearing they make a heavier version under the pro division. I haven't seen an 11 series in person, but if it's better than my home Panasonic, it's gotta be stellar.
 
DVI rendition

DVI rendition

What about using the DVI signal from the computer instead of using the HDSDI feed.

I am working with only this available output...

thank you all for the advices...
 
It's easy enough to convert DVI to HDMI using a simple cable - since HDMI and DVI are compatible signals. Most plasmas even have DVI inputs. So hooking up a plasma to your DVI output should be very straightforward.

You'll be limited to 8-bit monitoring (DVI is 8-bit max) but more importantly you'll be monitoring an RGB signal which may not be an accurate representation if the endresult is video (YUV).
 
New NeoPDP panels bring:

- lower black levels
- virtually no image retention
- lower input lag (down to negligible)
- 1080 lines of motion resolution (900 in the current)
- lower power consumption

I'm interested in the next pro series.
 
My guess would be that the consumer NeoPDP panels outperform the 11 Pro series. But you probably need to get into the service menu to disable dynamic contrast and there's no HD-SDI input.

On the other hand - the 11 series Pro displays don't support 10-bit color on the HDMI port... If you don't need HD-SDI the new NeoPDP screens look like a great choice.
 
koffi said:
Did you notice this one?http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P50V10-Review.html
G12,NEOPDP,THX certified,HDMI.
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30000:1 contrast they mention is wrong.

Declared 30000:1 was in last year's models (and in current pro series).
In new generation it is featured in cheap(est) series. V-series is second from the top of the range.

Even cheaper series than V - G series now have declared 40000:1, bringing black levels to around 0.03 cd/m2 - in the Kuro range (that goes all the way down to 0.003 cd/m2 in 5090 series).
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Would you say to stick with the 42" if used for viewing from 8" or 9" away? Or the 50"?
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50 inch, assuming you mean 8 or 9 feet, not inches ;-)

Video facilities have usually used the rough figure of 4 times the picture height for professional use. That equates to about 6.8 feet for a 42 inch screen, and about 8 feet for a 50 inch. By comparison, in the home theater world, it's usually determined to be about 2.5 times the diagonal, which would be a bit under 9 feet for the 42 inch and 10.4 feet for the 50.
 
DVI for HDTV and SDTV WORK

DVI for HDTV and SDTV WORK

Barend Onneweer said:
It's easy enough to convert DVI to HDMI using a simple cable - since HDMI and DVI are compatible signals. Most plasmas even have DVI inputs. So hooking up a plasma to your DVI output should be very straightforward.

You'll be limited to 8-bit monitoring (DVI is 8-bit max) but more importantly you'll be monitoring an RGB signal which may not be an accurate representation if the endresult is video (YUV).
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The pro series have an optional board for DVI input also.
My concern is more about your second state...

RGB trough DVI monitoring for TV work, can i expect a good results in terms of color and gamma accuracy?

thanks in advance
 
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