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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

What does this mean?

As always, Jim, you show your leadership and intelligence to go along with your amazing entrepreneurial career. Thank you also for all your economic discussions and rationale.

I'm still hoping to get an Epic this year. Pretty please.

Best wishes, good health and good cheer to you and the team.
 
Knowing your usual tempo, I'm perfectly okay with your slowed down version of getting things done. :-)

As far as market is concerned, IMO 2/3" Scarlet has the advantage by being more accessible, less workflow demanding and more versatile than 35mm Scarlet and Epic,
PLUS being the best bang for the buck ever.
These times might actually be good for 3K Scarlet sales.
 
Joe Media said:
My first post here and I know I'm gonna get ripped a new one but I had to post. I'm a firm believer in new technology and I also commend Red for what they've developed in the Red One. We don't own one currently but have rented them out before and feel they are a solid platform that is in need of substantial refinement (I think we can all agree on that). With the specs Red had released on the new Scarlet and Epic platforms, who wouldn't line up to purchase over the R1? But, if you look back just over a month ago on this board, they showed a development picture of "Frankie" in the "5k is alive" post. How can you go from such a raw untested prototype to market in under 6 months? In my opinion, you can't. Point being, slow down and give realistic specs and delivery dates that you can keep or you might loose face with many potential buyers. (and yes, I know they say the specs are always going to change, count on it). But that's just my 2 cents and my first post.
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Your not going to get ripped, but your post does show that you don't understand what Frankie is.
Frankie has been used since day one (or close to it) to test the sensors. I don't think it really has much to do with being a prototype of the cameras themselves.
RED One, and whatever else they've got in house, has served as a testing ground for that.

I think Jim's decision is a wise one and really won't effect the delivery dates by a large margin.
Who knows it may actually speed things up if it keeps them from making mistakes in the process.

Greg
 
This is good for a lot of people. Red is now still "The One". There is no rush its a great machine & tool. Let each addition have its own "Epoch" let them evolve and find a pace for release that doesnt spill it all at once too soon.

Its already so far ahead why not savor each flavor.

Red #1
Scarlet #1
Epic #1

Evolve those lines in due time but let each have a period to reign.


DogDay.
 
as somebody who is about to invest in the red for a production company, postponing the epic/scarlet seem very beneficial for people who currently own R1. From my experience, the rental market for the red seems almost abysmal because there are so many people trying to get their packages into the rental market for anything. Rental price standards are not being well enough maintained. I don't feel negative about the R1 at all, but the rental market seems to be the wrong game to get into with this camera now.

Does anyone know of a thread speculating on the price of a used R1 package in a year or so? or Two? sure it will make good images for a long long time, but how is the value of the camera going to do in comparison to the other cameras? I hope it does well, but realistically I'd love to know what other people are thinking.
 
I rather have an extended development cycle than have the "corners cut" on production, so while I lament this news as it means a longer time to get a camera in my hands, I understand and respect the reasoning.

This is great news for Red One owners who now have the top Red dog even longer...
 
A company that doesn't profiteer is extremely rare. So rare, in fact, it's hard to believe. But Red has continued to defy skeptics, and their company philosophy seems to be doing that all over again. Ironically, a refusal to profiteer does amount to a smart business: I bet it translates into customer loyalty. Just like I might buy green to save a planet, I would be inclined to support a company whose philosophy I respect. I love the camera, make no mistake. But I really respect the approach Jim Jannard is taking with this honesty.
 
Hey TJ,

As long as Jim holds the card up reading 'Full Trade In' I can't see the earlier numbers dropping in value. It's your ticket to the next full-on ride.

Late comers? Who knows?

At the moment it seems to be that those in early and who now have experience and contacts are still doing OK. Those who thought that ownership would buy them into the industry, well I'm not so sure this is working out the way it was supposed to for them.

In the UK I can see a few of those early adopters shifting their allegiances, esp the post houses who bought in and are now in league with the camera hire companies. We'll see. A few early individual adopters have tested the market in terms of saleability and taken 'offers', not sure who has/hasn't sold yet.

This delay in Epic may cause another ripple. I'm still good as everyone locally knows me as the 'Red Guy'. I keep telling them I still shoot film dammit!

Good luck

Mike Costelloe
 
Agreed!

Agreed!

Hello everyone.

I am new to this site as a member, but have been viewing it for sometime as a guest. My sincere thanks to Mr. Jannard and the RED Team for pushing the limits and creating such an awesome company. I agree with him 100% on his reasoning to delay the latest RED products given the state of our economy. This should allow many of us plenty of time to save the money needed to buy the exact RED camera we really want. I for one was aiming for the Scarlet 2/3 Cinema or S35. Be it 2010 or 2011 I'll be in line to place my order!
 
Mike. Thanks for the reply. I agree, the "full trade-in" card is such a major gift, and will keep people investing. I also think the delay is a smart move on Jim's part, and gives the media industry outside of NY/LA a little more time to acclimate to new work flows before more bodies are released.
 
SPZ said:
Its good for you guys that had the cash for it! In other words, for the lucky (and loaded) folks and companies that had the 25k needed for a working still 35mm glass enabled Red One...

EDIT- I can see why Red One users are not very concerned with this, and I don't blame you guys. Just understand that not everyone can be were you guys are right now...
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i don't own one either, i work day and night writing stories worth shooting and then i find ways to afford the rental, one of which is working in other departments and trading other skills for credit with owners and rental houses.

Luck is what you make of it. Me I make shit happen! So can you.
 
Gregory Leno said:
Your not going to get ripped, but your post does show that you don't understand what Frankie is.
Frankie has been used since day one (or close to it) to test the sensors. I don't think it really has much to do with being a prototype of the cameras themselves.
RED One, and whatever else they've got in house, has served as a testing ground for that.

I think Jim's decision is a wise one and really won't effect the delivery dates by a large margin.
Who knows it may actually speed things up if it keeps them from making mistakes in the process.

Greg
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Greg,
I think you just made my point for me. I would think that they would be beyond the test bed stage if the product were to start shipping within 6 months. I'd hope so at least. Don't get me wrong, what Red has done so far has been remarkable. Thankfully, there are other options and waiting is not always a bad thing.
Joe
 
Pawel Achtel said:
I managed to get a PL mount bolted to Canon 50D - an early substitution of the real DSMC, but together with Red One they will get me by. I can shoot images that look stunning now.
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Hi,

I'm thinking of finding a solution to put my PL Glass to my Canon as well. I would be really interested to know how you did that.:shiftyph34r: Any pictures maybe?

Cheers
 
Joe Media said:
Greg,
I think you just made my point for me. I would think that they would be beyond the test bed stage if the product were to start shipping within 6 months. I'd hope so at least. Don't get me wrong, what Red has done so far has been remarkable. Thankfully, there are other options and waiting is not always a bad thing.
Joe
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hmmm. I think I may not have made my point as clear as I should have.
Which was... it is possible that the camera development and sensor development are taking place separately and will come together quickly when needed.
Hence just throwing a sensor into Frankie doesn't necessarily demonstrate where they are at in the Camera development arena.

At any rate it, as you say, waiting is not always a bad thing.
I'm sure they will do what they have to do to get it right.


Greg
 
Well seeing as how most folks can't digest the 4K we already have in Red One, it's not going to be an issue, imho. Besides, the One is a tank of a camera, makes a man outta ya' just holding the thing. Have you SEEN the images it produces? Great Ceasar's Ghost, they're amazing! Burns my eyes just looking at 'em. Can't imagine what a larger sensor is going to show when they finally do arrive. I think the Red might be the cause of all of the financial indigestion anyway. Once folks realized what was going on with the new ways of digital, they panicked. Bernie Madoff had put all his money in Sony stock. R. Allen Stanford thought he'd corner the market with Fuji film. Jim's just realized that he started this and is now slowing it down a bit so the rest of the world can catch their collective breath. He's just looking out for everyone, that's all.
 
Jim,

I consider myself as very lucky, i have an extraordinairy privillege to have a RED ONE, and i truly appreciate. I take as much care with this camera as i do with my music instruments. It's that precious.

I'll be there when the EPIC is ready.
In the meanwhile, the RED ONE is a superb instrument with superb images.
I learn every day i use it.

Thanks for the update.

Antoine
 
I think the 2/3" Scarlet would still do good in these times. I really wanted the S35 Scarlet but would be more then happy with the 2/3 fixed lens version. What about just working on that for now and wait on the Epic? Keep the Red one around for a while. Then almost everyone will be happy. Red One owners will know they have the best camera out there and us indie filmmakers will have a camera we can afford.
 
Kristin Stewart said:
It's been several decades that the world is in a financial turmoil. It's only now that the cinema people, who obviously live on another planet, realize the reality in which the majority lives.
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I'm not sure what this post means. The world has been in financial turmoil for several decades? "Cinema People," who must be entrepreneurial, raise large amounts of capital, and successfully deliver a product while working very hard and long hours - they live on another planet? All of this, while keeping up with a rapidly changing technology and the pressures of globalization.

I sense some attitude.
 
Here's an idea - everybody puts down a deposit (Red One style) for their Scarlet / Epic of choice, say $1k; Jim gets to see who's actually willing to buy and which cameras people want, and prioritises those cameras' development. No?
 
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