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Red for home use?

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John Dobbs

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I would like to buy a red for home use. What would be a good starter package to use? And what software is needed for this? It would be for non professional use. When will I be able to buy one? Will it be available by this december?

I was thinking of the 28-50 lens kit at f2.8 but I am not sure of what else is included with the camera when you buy it.
 
John - I like your style. High-end professional gear for "in home" use.

Most of the info and answers you are looking for are on RED.com or on this forum. I know you can order a camera now by putting down a 10% deposit, but you will not get your camera until early 2008.

You will get REDCINE software with the camera, as well as some utility apps (REDQUICK, etc.) and you should get a MacPro and Final Cut Studio.

Spend a little time on the RED.com site and then search this site for answers to questions -

Your home movies are going to look amazing ...
 
For $17500 you'll get only the camera body.
To make it work, you'll need at least to buy :
- Basic production pack ($1250)
- EVF ($2950) or LCD ($1700)
- Power pack ($1450)
- Red Drive ($900)
- a lens, like the 28-50mm ($6500) and/or an adapter for Nikon or Canon lenses ($500)
So it's about $30000 with the 18-50 lens.
And this is without any accessories, tripod, cases,...

If you order now, you won't be getting it before somewhere in 2008.

I don't know what you exactly mean by "home use", but isn't this camera a bit expensive for that ? And are you sure you really need 4K ?
Well it's your money :unsure:
 
Slinnn, you don't need to buy all of those things to "make it work". The bare minimum would be the camera body, a lens, a battery, some type of storage and something to view it with [even if it's just an HDMI monitor].
 
Cool I have a Mac Pro at home, it has 8GB of ram on it.

So I just need to buy Final Cut pro software and then install the RED software on the mac.

Thanks for the list, thats what I needed. but 2008 what? like around January ?Is that when it will be officially for sale? Will I be able to just buy it on www.red.com (online store) when it is out.
 
Slinnn said:
For $17500 you'll get only the camera body.
To make it work, you'll need at least to buy :
- Basic production pack ($1250)
- EVF ($2950) or LCD ($1700)
- Power pack ($1450)
- Red Drive ($900)
- a lens, like the 28-50mm ($6500) and/or an adapter for Nikon or Canon lenses ($500)
So it's about $30000 with the 18-50 lens.
And this is without any accessories, tripod, cases,...

If you order now, you won't be getting it before somewhere in 2008.

I don't know what you exactly mean by "home use", but isn't this camera a bit expensive for that ? And are you sure you really need 4K ?
Well it's your money :unsure:
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Why not? I saw the quality of the footage at the website and that beats the hell out of anything DV camera I have seen. It would be great to film family events etc.. and have it look that way compared to what people show at home shot on those DV cameras.
 
It's already "for sale," it's just not shipping. My personal [completely unjustified] guess is that ~2,000-2,500 have been ordered. When the camera starts shipping [theoretically in about a month], the people who reserved a camera first will start to get theirs. Over the next several months, cameras will ship out and production will ramp up:

Serial numbers 1-50 August 30th (50 units)
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)
Serial numbers 301- 700 November 10th (400 units)
Serial numbers 701- 1200 December 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1201- 1700 January 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1701- 2200 February 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 10th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 10th (700 units)

Granted, this schedule could change at any time. But I'd guess you'd receive a camera around March if you ordered today.

If you're going to order, do it soon. With the cameras about to ship [public footage will be coming...] and IBC around the corner, there are going to be a LOT of orders about to be made.
 
John Dobbs said:
Why not? I saw the quality of the footage at the website and that beats the hell out of anything DV camera I have seen. It would be great to film family events etc.. and have it look that way compared to what people show at home shot on those DV cameras.
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You're worrying me a little here... do you know what's involved in using a camera like this? There's a reason that professional narrative cine camera departments often have 5+ people... with certain members capable of earning more than $1,000 per day.

Check out the FAQ if you haven't.
 
Slinnn, you don't need to buy all of those things to "make it work". The bare minimum would be the camera body, a lens, a battery, some type of storage and something to view it with [even if it's just an HDMI monitor].
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Ok, so let's say
- Body : $17000
- 1 battery + charger : $1000
- Red Drive : $900 (you could go with CF,but I'm not sure it would be cheaper)
- HDMI monitor : I have no idea, I guess about $1000. But I would really at least take the Red LCD.
- Nikon or Canon adapter : $500

So that's around $20 000 without any lens, so this works if you already have existing Canon or Nikon lenses (or want to buy some). Still not cheap...

Thanks for the list, thats what I needed. but 2008 what? like around January ?Is that when it will be officially for sale? Will I be able to just buy it here (online store) when it is out.
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Nobody know exactly, there is a big waiting list, more than 2000 people have already ordered the camera. If everything goes as planed, they'll start shipping in september. Ordering now, you may get it around March or April 2008 I guess, but nobody can tell at this point...

Why not? I saw the quality of the footage at the website and that beats the hell out of anything DV camera I have seen. It would be great to film family events etc.. and have it look that way compared to what people show at home shot on those DV cameras.
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Yes, why not... I don't know your background, but are you familiar with this kind of high end gear ? It's much more complicated than a DV camera... Manual focus, etc... Just making sure you're aware of that... Focusing on a 35mm camera is far from easy...
 
I don't know. If he's got the money to burn than I would encourage him to try it out, I can think of worse hobbies. I've been shooting about 2 hours of HD footage every time I get together with my extended family, especially the little ones, I'll probably do some of this with RED too.

IBloom
 
I'm the first to say that people should do whatever they want, but I can't imagine lugging around a 15-25lb. set up to shoot pics of my kids. They just move too fast. :)

That said, I'm sure there will be some 4k family footage, but as the exception and not the rule.

John, get that back and biceps in shape and join the REDvolution. :)
 
I wouldn't even point out NO AUTOFOCUS first. Because with 1/3" you can often just be out of focus without too many problems.

But with a 35mm chip. You *have* to work to stay in focus. Especially in doors with available light you'll want to run it wide open.
 
Thanks for the info and I am gonna read the FAQ now, I will practice with it of course. The pictures that came out of my first cameras were no where near the level they are today. I have been shooting pictures with my 1Ds camera and it blows away the stuff I had with my older point and shoot stuff. I had to practice for a while obviously since initally the pictures from the DSLR were not up to par until I got the hang of it.

I would figure this would make for a good hobby, and besides people blow 24K on harleys to ride them on the road, at least my wife does not have to be worried about myself getting killed on a bike.
 
as mentioned earlier by other redusers, you will be lookin at needing a tripod that can handle RED's weight. expect to pay around 5 grand for something like an oconnor 1030hd. I think the tripod on Red's website is the 2060hd and it goes for around 8,000.
 
John, you may also consider getting something like Interactive Film School, a set of 5 instructional DVDs about the basics of filmmaking. That can help you bring your hobby to a higher level.
 
I keep reading about how difficult focus will be on RED- It's bumming me out. Is it really going to be so impossible? I have never used a 35mm motion picture camera, but I have used a Beta SP and arri 16mm- both manual zooms. Not easy, but I did not find it that hard. Will RED really be that much more difficult?
 
Slinnn said:
I don't know what you exactly mean by "home use"...
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I have a fairly good idea. :blush:

While it's preferable you want to make money with it, I don't see why it can't be used for "home use". I remember shooting birthday parties with a professional shoulder mount camera I borrowed from my school's video department.

Is this a case of big toys for rich boys?
 
I, for one, look forward to seeing Red-originated footage of your cat flushing the crapper on YouTube.
 
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