RED #8 testing team & some details

[Steve Gibby]

By the way, the since the sensor size is nearly identical, Digital Rebels, EOS20, EOS30 and Nikon dslrs should be excellent for getting an idea of how lenses will work with RED.

I hear ya Mike. I shot the DSLR pics of Boris/RED 18-50 CF zoom for my "RED at NAB, Part 1" article in Studio Daily, with a Canon Digital Rebel XTi (D400 in Europe) in 10 megapixel RAW, then processed the RAW pics with the Canon Digital Photo Professional software that came with the XTi.

Article link: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/feed.rss/7959.html

The lens I used wasn't the Canon 10-22, but for my in-water watersports shooting with RED One, I'm interested in testing the Canon 10-22. If Birger Canon adaptor and the 10-22 check out well with RED One for my uses, I'll also be able to use the lens on my XTi and Canon 20D...very cool.

I've shot a lot with the XTi recently as my "go anywhere" quickdraw DSLR, and I've been real happy with it. It was only around $700 from B&H.

We'll have the Birger Canon adaptor for LART, so testing Haakon's Canon 10-22 will be something we'll do. We'll have a lot of lenses and setups to bang out so we won't be able to get too much in depth with the 10-22, but we should easily be able to answer the "will the 10-22 work good on RED One?" and "do the images look good when using it?" questions.

 

[Mark Thorpe]

Hey Gibby,
Just looking through things on the "Ventilation" thread. I'm hoping that one of your tests will be, if not then this is a request, to take a look at all and any effects of heat build up and the positive or negative impact of that when the cameras are locked down in air / watertight enclosures.

Cheers,
Mark.

 

[Häakon]

Birger mount works fine with ef-s lenses like the 10-22

Ah, well there you go. I forgot that the sensor size on the XTi is so close to that of RED's. I will be more than happy to bring my 10-22 to the LART.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Hey Gibby,
Just looking through things on the "Ventilation" thread. I'm hoping that one of your tests will be, if not then this is a request, to take a look at all and any effects of heat build up and the positive or negative impact of that when the cameras are locked down in air / watertight enclosures.

Cheers,
Mark.

Hey Mark,

Good to see you're back in Palau!

Over all these months of RED One development, RED has mentioned several times that they have paid close attention to the environmental factors of using RED One. Nobody but RED Team knows what their solutions were for heat dissipation, but as thorough as they seem to have been on everything else, I'd guess that they came up with a good solution for that. As all of us who've used cameras in housings know, with certain cameras in certain housings, heat and condensation buildup can be a problem. There's no way of knowing now what we're up against on that with RED One in housings, and there is no way to have a housing made for #8 before the LART testing sessions. As you know, Ken Corben ("Sharkguy") is co-producing LART with me, and questions about RED One in a housing are at the top of his list. Mike Hastings ("aquavideo2006") will be making Ken's new RED One housings, and also my RED One water sports housing. When we get them, probably a few weeks after LART, we'll test them out in various water situations. Then we can post some general impressions here on RED User. Again...IMO RED has paid close attention to heat dissipation issues on RED One and me and Ken plan to ask RED's advice on how they would approach any housing heat dissipation issues...then we'll follow their advice.

Cheers!

 

[Steve Gibby]

I will be more than happy to bring my 10-22 to the LART.

Awesome...much appreciated!

 

[Brook Willard]

I'll bring a small collection of Canon [and possibly Nikon] glass to the test. I may also be able to bring a few sets of S16mm and 35mm PL primes and zooms... we'll see. The rental would be free, but it hinges on insurance.

 

[Steve Gibby]

I'll bring a small collection of Canon [and possibly Nikon] glass to the test. I may also be able to bring a few sets of S16mm and 35mm PL primes and zooms... we'll see. The rental would be free, but it hinges on insurance.

Excellent...much appreciated too!

 

[Mark Thorpe]

Hey Mark, Good to see you're back in Palau!...IMO RED has paid close attention to heat dissipation issues on RED One and me and Ken plan to ask RED's advice on how they would approach any housing heat dissipation issues...then we'll follow their advice. Cheers!

Good to be back, 4 days capturing footage, now another estimated week for archiving and then the editing starts. Having a blast.

Looking forward to the results of LART. I'm confident RED have done their homework and that it won't be a massive issue but obviously one that any wet shooter should have concerns about. Like I said, I'm sure it won't be a problem.

Cheers,
Mark.

 

[PaulClements]

Hi LART Folks, just wondering what Follow Focus units you will be comparing against the Birger unit?

 

[Steve Gibby]

Hi LART Folks, just wondering what Follow Focus units you will be comparing against the Birger unit?

We'll definitely rig-up and test what Birger supplies to us. Since most of the setups during our 2 days will call for a FF (and MB) of some kind, and we'll have 4 cameras to test on, I'm sure we'll also be using lots of other FF and MB. Our tests won't be until the first week of September at the earliest, so we'll be tossing equipment ideas around all the way through the end of August.

 

[Obin Olson]

are you testing yet?

 

[chuck colburn]

Reread the previous post.

 

[zak forrest]

no lighting

no lighting

new to this thread, perhaps its been suggested:

i read that the tests are taking place in a studio, does this mean that there will be no tests of low natural light levels, and also bright natural light? preferably handheld lookin all over the place, not just a few static shots in low light...

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

It is my understanding that the studio is just a base of operations. I'm sure somebody will go outside.

 

[Steve Gibby]

The studio will be the staging and testing area (and lunch BBQ!). We'll shoot inside and out, natural light and artificial light - tripod, hand held, and with some stabilizers. We have a team full of excellent cinematographers, with diverse backgrounds in shooting styles, so I'd expect a wide variety of images to be generated. The vibe will be casual but professional - have fun and check out shipping RED One cameras.

As I summarized on Page 20, Post #194 of this thread, LART isn't about techno-geek, micro-analysis of nano-bits, but rather practical, real world equipment setups, shooting, and then examination of footage. LART will be about a talented team generating a lot of images and then seeing how they look - first-look, hands-on setup and shooting sessions, followed by analysis of the footage.

IMO the aesthetics of how the images look is the real bottom line, as it is with any camera system. Tech specs are informative, and obviously we'll pay attention to them, but the aesthetic qualities of the images are what end up being edited, and then downstream versions of them are what the viewing public sees. The ergonomics and ease of utility of various setups in practical field use will be another thing we'll obviously pay attention to as we generate images. Then I'm sure we'll also test the technical parameters of the footage.

We've asked each LART team member to make suggestions for the sessions. They've responded with some excellent lists. In a perfect world, we'd be able to have the time and facilities to do all the tests they've suggested, and all of the great suggestions from RED User members in this thread. That won't happen.

LART will only have 2 days to test, so nobody should expect it to generate a mega RED Wikipedia or a comprehensive guidebook to everything RED. We'll mostly concentrate right into the heart of the bottom line with RED One - how the images from various lens/format/shooting styles actually look.

After the LART sessions each team member has their own busy production schedules to pay attention to, and all four of us who have donated our RED One cameras to the testing will undoubtedly have projects lined up like dominos that we're anxious to plug our cameras into.

The whole team is donating their time and talents to LART. We'll have fun, and generate a lot of images and user impressions!

 

[Frank Weeks]

Gibby,

What you and the team are doing is very exciting. Once again, thank you and the guys on the team for your considerable efforts.

I look foreword to to seeing every aspect of your tests.

Frank Weeks
Red #852

 

[donatello b]

"studio will be the staging and testing area (and lunch BBQ!). "

and speaking of lunch/food/drinks ... hey! with all persons bringing camera's and accessories etc. that is alot of mouths to feed , think the last i heard was around 20? that is going to cost hard $$ out of some/everybody's pocket ... anyway i/we can help out in the $ for food dept ?

 

[Steve Gibby]

"studio will be the staging and testing area (and lunch BBQ!). "

and speaking of lunch/food/drinks ... hey! with all persons bringing camera's and accessories etc. that is alot of mouths to feed , think the last i heard was around 20? that is going to cost hard $$ out of some/everybody's pocket ... anyway i/we can help out in the $ for food dept ?

Thanks for bringing that up Donatello...in the hustle of planning the event we anticipated that everyone would need to eat, but haven't payed enough attention yet to how to pull that off! Suggestions for that are definitely welcome. If you'd like to post them here, that's fine, or if you'd like to PM them to me, that would be great too.

Thanks again for that thought...

 

[donatello b]

i don't know anything about the behind scene of food dept... i consume it - not much thought on how much planning it takes to get it there ...
i just think that with everybody coming down for 2 days that food should be on the house ( for everybody )and that these test are going to cost you some $ on top of all your time ...
i assume it comes down to X $ per head for lunch, snack/drinks for each day ?
... i'm out of town, i'll PM you mid week to discuss this more ...

 

[Dominique Grenier]

i don't know anything about the behind scene of food dept... i consume it - not much thought on how much planning it takes to get it there ...
i just think that with everybody coming down for 2 days that food should be on the house ( for everybody )and that these test are going to cost you some $ on top of all your time ...
i assume it comes down to X $ per head for lunch, snack/drinks for each day ?

Down here, when we work on micro budget film (and I mean by that something like $500 ), the "production" (usually the director) provide the food. Depending on what kind of food you want, and assuming you've got somebody who'd like to cook for you (or you could go to a place that make sandwiches), we go for a budget of between $5 and $7 per person per day. That usually include water bottles for everyone, coffee, some collations as well as one meal (lunch). We usually provide some "starter" in the morning (such as muffins) as well as something to eat in between meals (fruits are very inexpensive...).

So I say, a budget of between $200-$300 for 2 days is something you could easily get by, for 20 peoples. You won't have any luxury, but anyone will be happy and ready to work, without loosing time for everyone to go get a lunch.

That's my 2¢.

P.S. BTW, Gibby, did you get my PM?