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Dalsa guys: Red seems fishy

najafi/didarfilm said:
the RED guys have not shown a real working camera
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They have a working prototype. I have seen it several times, and have watched the RED team shoot imagery with it.

najafi/didarfilm said:
and no DP has worked with it and no one ever had shooted even a scene with it.
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Not true. David Stump, ASC has worked with it and shot scenes with it.

najafi/didarfilm said:
they just have shown some scenes to the audiences from unknown sources.
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Also untrue. Several months ago, I wrote an extensive post to dvxuser.net and the CML-2K list about the "behind the scenes" work that took place to get RED footage from the camera to the screen at IBC. I personally watched several shots go from the camera to a SCRATCH system, and can verify that it was a "known source" and "real" RED footage.

najafi/didarfilm said:
I don't know guys , RED specifications is so much passionate but is it real? just refer me to some evidences.
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There is a tremendous amount of "evidence" out there. If you had done about 10 minutes of homework on the web then you would know this. Check the archives at dvxuser.net, cinematography.net in the 2K section for all the posts regarding real people shooting real footage with a real camera.

I also very seriously doubt that Dalsa would have said that. I know the guys that used to be at Dalsa in Los Angeles, and while they may argue about the tecnical merits of camera A vs. camera B, they would not doubt its existence. They're more professional and smarter than that. They can also read.

Regards,

Lucas Wilson
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Assimilate, Inc.
Los Angeles
lucas*at*assimilateinc*dot*com
 
This whole thing reminds me of the early 90s when NewTek was working on the Video Toaster. There were no forums back then (unless you were one of the few doing the BBS thing) but if there were, this probably is how it would have played out.

Check out this link, It's NewTek's "Revolution" video released around 1990. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nymVNhy4dw8 Before the Toaster, if you were doing cuts only editing on U-Matic VCRs you were rocking. Wanted to do a dissolve between two sources? The investment for a lame dissolve was in the tens of thousands. The Toaster was a $2000 card that did things that back then were mind blowing. The parallels are undeniable. Now if RED can just put together a promo video as cool as that (hey, it was absolutely amazing back then, the best promo ever :) ).
 
Just like the moon landings, it would have cost Jim more to fake up a 4.9k image at 24fps than it would have cost to do it for real. You've got to laugh.

Graeme
 
do you call panasonic and ask them what they think of the sony 900 ?
do you call sony and as them what they think about panasonic's HD camera's ?

i have found that asking floor persons at equipment shows you are getting more thier personal opinion and not the manufacturers opinion ...until RED ( or any new company with any product) has a camera that is renting/selling most do not consider it a real product - and yes you can have a working prototype (look at kinetta camera) and unless it is renting/selling it doesn't exist so why think about it !!!

i could see that a individuals/masses might find it "strange" that persons are talking as if RED was here ( now) and most that have put in a reservation have never seen a working RED camera ...
i have no doubt that i'll have a RED in my hands within a year ... i do have DP friends that will only talk about camera's they can buy/rent TODAY and any camera not available today doesn't exist to them ( period) ... until they see a RED that is working they consider it vaporware ..but just in case it does turn up they have all asked to test/use RED 103 ( personal camera) which they NEVER will use it ...but they can use RED 1051
 
Great to see you here on the new forums Lucas. Listen to Lucas: as usual, he's totally correct and due to use using Scratch for our 4k work, he's seen the process all the way through, from beginning to display at 4k.

Graeme
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Just like the moon landings, it would have cost Jim more to fake up a 4.9k image at 24fps than it would have cost to do it for real. You've got to laugh.

Graeme
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You mean the footage was not shot with 3 synched EOS-1D MKIIs aligned and shooting through 2 half silvered mirrors?
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Just like the moon landings, it would have cost Jim more to fake up a 4.9k image at 24fps than it would have cost to do it for real. You've got to laugh.

Graeme
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funny Graeme thats the first thing that came to mind to me as well the moon landings :)


And thanks Steve for the nice comments :)
 
acehole said:
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lol....nice
 
I find it rather odd that working professionals get so heated when discussing a camera. It's as if they take it personally, which is probably due to the effective work of corporate brand managers. I perfer not to cast my lot with any brand. I'll shoot with Red and mount Cooke lenses....who cares? It's amusing that people can get so worked up over new products, as if they're something to be feared. Will the average DP lose revenue because of Red? Of course not. So why all the anger? Maybe some shooters pledge an oath to Sony, Panasonic or Dalsa. I'm a director so I wouldn't know. Seems rather juvenile in any case.
 
Omada, I think the anger comes from the rash/false statements that are made without any investigation on the part of the individual making the statements. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but at least state the facts is what I say.
 
arkham said:
Sometimes, I'm truly ashamed of being European... Old Europe... Old sceptical Europe ....
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I'm from Italy (don't know how many Red are reserved from here)...

And I know what you mean.

But I think we're on the right way, even in Europe.
 
Waiting for Reservations to Re-open

Waiting for Reservations to Re-open

We are buying a couple more HVX200's now and will wait till reservations open up so we can buy some Red Cams and lenses - we want 3 cams for production. Hopefully the camera will not have any issues out of the box for reserved buyers and I hope we can quickly resolve how to integrate the units into our production schedule here at Ten Broadcasting once they become available. We have been looking for a better way to produce cinematic video without having to use Varicams which are just plain to big for our genre though we have used them and still are using one because we bought it. The RED cam may be a bit big too. which brings me to my question. Is there a plan to bring out a smaller RED camera that anyone here knows of? Also, does anyone know if these cameras will work with FCP5 and AJA gear? Last Qeustion .... What is RED's booth at the NAB this year?
 
arkham said:
On a famous french speaking forum ("Le Repaire": www.repaire.net), I even got insulted ("gullible", "stupid", "naïve", "fool") for having made a reservation for a Red (which I 100% believe in).
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Send me their names and I will add them to my "do not sell to list". :)

Jim
 
arkham said:
...Sometimes, I'm truly ashamed of being European... Old Europe... Old sceptical Europe, without any sort of positive energy: no enthousiasm, no drive, no optimism, no dreams! It's almost like if I was living among zombies; fortunately, there are a few humans left over here: most of the people I know "in real-life" in fact. And of course, all the european people I meet over here :)
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Hey Arkham you are not alone, I am just New Europe optimist so excited that something is changing just now. Stop waste your time with zombies! Who needs them? Its my favorite hobby to shock zombies with a near future crazy scenarios :D
 
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