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Dalsa guys: Red seems fishy

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Hi Firends

i'm a director who is mad about digital , i just wanted to shoot my last promo with a 4k solution.
some days ago i called Dalsa (as the sole real tangible working 4k solution providers) and i just asked them about their ideas about RED.
they told me that it seems fishy , the RED guys have not shown a real working camera and no DP has worked with it and no one ever had shooted even a scene with it. they just have shown some scenes to the audiences from unknown sources.
I don't know guys , RED specifications is so much passionate but is it real?
just refer me to some evidences.
Kindest regards

M.H. Najafi
 
I thought the Dalsa guys were all buddy-buddy with RED? Traitors! ;)

But yeah, I guess you're right, it's all a hoax. Joke's on everyone! Gotcha!

[I kid, I kid]
 
It's a project in development.
The camera is not yet available, so you can't shoot anything "now" with a RED.

You, and almost any DP on the planet (except Mr. David Stump).

Therefore, if you want to test the camera, you simply have to wait.

You don't need evidence.

The RED team are teasing, not fishing...



(sorry for my poor english)
 
they have collected lots of 1000$ from the people around the world , may be more than millions. if it fails , what would happed , is it fair that lots of people around the world pay for someone's research costs.
i don't know , i hope they could stand till the end.
 
It's impossible to "own" a Dalsa, it's available only for rent.
 
dude, have you not seen the test grab from david stump on cinematography.net? have you not seen the constant updates from the red team telling us what is going on? have you not seen Jarred Land at the RED headquarters being apart of history? have you not made a reservation yourself and gotten e-mails? have you not done any research?

i guess not.
 
Dear Justin , have you touched RED ?
of course , i had done lots of research , but i'm worried . and i think that what i told is reasonable
 
Najafi,
I personally give to the RED team a lot of money.

And I'm happy. And I feel really good. And I'm proud of my two camera bodies and my three lenses reservation.

If I want, I can call the money back. I'm sure.

If you don't feel confortable, you can ignore my money, the RED itself, all this forum's user.

Where is the problem?
 
sorry... I doubt what you say about Dalsa guys... What a dumb comment... "fishy". You must not have talked to Deanan at Dalsa.

If you are worried... doesn't really matter. Reservations are closed.

Jim
 
najafi/didarfilm said:
they have collected lots of 1000$ from the people around the world , may be more than millions. if it fails , what would happed , is it fair that lots of people around the world pay for someone's research costs.
i don't know , i hope they could stand till the end.
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You know, everybody that reserved products from Red did so at their own urging and not by any form of coersion. I know some well meaning folks who still decided to wait for the products to ship before buying, everyman to its own.

You don't have to start a thread just to disrespect the product developers/reservation holders in order to make a point.

Just wait until the product ships, then you can decide to buy or not. But until then, please contribute something meaningful here if you want, instead of thrashing everything and everybody even where they don't invite it. :mad:
 
Whenever I've spoken to Dalsa representitives, they've always been very positive about RED. That said, I don't think there's anyone left working at the Dalsa digital cinema division as all the people I knew there have recently left.

Graeme
 
Najafi, if Sony had come out at NAB last year and said that they were developing a 4K camera and were taking reservations I doubt that you would a forum 8 months into its development and say that the whole thing is a hoax. What you need to realize is that designing a product, be it shoes, sunglasses, cars, planes, or cameras is a process... regardless of the type of product you go through the same process to make it to production. Do you know how many no-name companies have revolutionized the world and made history? Thousands. Take this one crazy guy that wanted to make a multi billion dollar corporation by starting off with selling motorcycle hand grips.. crazy idea.. it would never fly. Just because a piece of technology isn't developed by Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Panavision or Arri doesn't mean its not a revolutionary product and it certainly doesn't mean that its vaporware.

BTW... are you suggesting that the footage shown at IBC and LA wasn't from their camera? Give me som viable options for what I saw with my own eyes on the screen... was it timelapse canon D20 stills? Those actors must be awesome at expressing emotion in slow mo, I'm trying to figure out how they pulled off the bubble gum though...
 
najafi/didarfilm said:
no DP has worked with it and no one ever had shooted even a scene with it.... they just have shown some scenes to the audiences from unknown sources.
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David Stump has shot scenes with it...Ive shot scenes with it.. And a few other DP's have shot scenes with it. You have all viewed the scenes yourselves...

najafi/didarfilm said:
they just have shown some scenes to the audiences from unknown sources.
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I will put my entire career on the table to personally gurantee that every single frame Red has shown has been from a Red camera with the Mysterium sensor. I was there. I dont know what other camera they think is shooting this stuff..

The quote seems a little odd to me but is understandable, its the same thing Sony would say about a Panasonic Camera or vise versa, or any other competitors camera, just remember, the one thing you gotta ask yourself about listening to those comments.. is why are they saying them.
 
I guess that Peter Jackson and James Cameron have been duped as well. Better get on the hotline to Wellington fast! :)
 
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I suppose if you are in the "club", i.e you have a reservation, then you are there for a reason. You have full faith in the team that Jim has assembled. Graeme Nattress, whose got a great track record in developing software for NLE's, etc. I've done business with him over the years and he is a first class guy. Jarred Land runs what is in my opinion one of the best resources for independent filmmakers available on the web. These guys and all the others who have joined Red would not be putting themselves out on the line if they didn't believe in this. And Jim's track record is obvious.

I suspect we will see more posts like this in the future until the camera has hit the market. And maybe it's not a bad thing. Probably gets the Red team even more fired up than they already are, if that's possible because these guys are pretty fired up already. The one thing I know for sure, I'll be happy to be in that club when we get word the camera is finished and they are really happy with the results. Everyone else who doubted them, will just have to be patient to get their hands one one.

Steve
 
Jarred Land said:
David Stump has shot scenes with it...Ive shot scenes with it.. And a few other DP's have shot scenes with it. You have all viewed the scenes yourselves...
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I suppose that at this point, nobody has shot anything with the RED [at least as the final product goes... as in the renders]. That's probably where the hiccups are coming from.

Most of us, of course, understand that the reason nobody has seen the camera is because the camera does not yet exist. We've seen parts of and output from prototypes. That's one of the reasons that [some] people get all huffy... if I can see an image, why can't I see a camera? The truth that we all [well, apparently not all] know is that the images we've seen are usually kept internal... forever.

The fact that we - as the public - are seeing images, seeing parts and getting so involved in the development process is absolutely amazing. Consider the alternative: we go to red.com every few months to see a slightly updated page with no personal involvement. The latter seems fishy to me [they wouldn't get my $1,000]... the former seems fantastic.

Cameras will come when they exist.
 
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