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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Magic lantern... Dude.

For those who think highend productions are not done on 5Diis . This was done on a 5dii before it had 24p. Done for a award winning creative agency and had a lot of prime time air play at the time.
It's a look . http://vimeo.com/8646177
 
Peter Majtan said:
Note how every single clip in the first video is locked-off on a tripod without even a slight movement.
The second video bellow is little better with super slow on-tripod pan and tilts and the very occasional handheld shot - which gives away the main issue - the jellocam_mkIII_RAW syndrome...

Forgive me, but for me the "motion" part of motion pictures (read cinema) is the movement of the camera. This was always the main give-away for me between projects shot on video and projects shot on film (and digital film later on - RED) - in video productions peeps frequently used zooms. I used to own a set of VP's. While they might behave like zooms - they are called VP's for a reason. Variable Primes. It allowed you to reframe your shot without having to move the dolly track (or what not grip you were using at the time), but you would never change the FOV during the actual take. In "true" cinematic language (IMHO) you move the camera to add dimensionality to the scene. If I am forever forbidden to move my camera in order to use the RAW capture - then no. Thank you very much, but no...

What is really sad is that the true power of the 5DmkIII as an amazing still camera is being overshadowed by all this HDSLR hype. Don't take me wrong - I am all for peeps without budget or access to more advanced gear to be able to use these cameras to cut their teeth, or even to create some amazing pieces (after all I would rather watch an amazing story shot on 5DmkIII (not in the RAW mode!) then some piece of c*** shot on Epic any day). Just please do not try to compare it with the likes of RED / Alexa or mention that it poses a "real alternative" to such a cameras. It is an insult to these cameras and more importantly - it is an insult to the 5DmkIII. Canon does not allow the RAW motion capture on it for a reason...

:sifone: Peter
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I watched the second clip... and it wasn't too bad..

These cameras will obviously never replace industry standard equipment... but... to discount a tool like this, and the people that will use it...

it's a tool.. that will have major drawbacks.... but... the pro's of this will definitely outweigh the cons..

It's already a tool that is widely available to the majority of the video shooting population.. and the competition at that price point is little to none..... I've used the BMCC outdoors vs. the Canon outdoors... i'd MUCH rather use a 5dMarkiii in real world outdoor settings... if we're talking relatively the same video quality.... it's rugged... easy to dial in settings... and the viewfinder is SUPER bright, compared to the BMCC...

like all cameras, there will be great projects shot with the magic lantern hack... and not so great projects.... and lots of cat videos.
 
william howell said:
I watched the second clip... and it wasn't too bad..
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What size did you watch it at? Even on a 47" I have here it is beyond bad, never mind seeing anything like this on the silver screen... ;o)

This is the trouble with HDSLR's - they look great on the web where the actual size of the image is on average less then 12". Once you see ANY footage from HDSLR projected on a 100' screen you realize that they were never ever meant to be seen like that....

william howell said:
These cameras will obviously never replace industry standard equipment... but... to discount a tool like this, and the people that will use it...

it's a tool.. that will have major drawbacks.... but... the pro's of this will definitely outweigh the cons
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Agreed...

william howell said:
It's already a tool that is widely available to the majority of the video shooting population.. and the competition at that price point is little to none..... I've used the BMCC outdoors vs. the Canon outdoors... i'd MUCH rather use a 5dMarkiii in real world outdoor settings... if we're talking relatively the same video quality.... it's rugged... easy to dial in settings... and the viewfinder is SUPER bright, compared to the BMCC
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And that (BMDC) are the cameras the 5DmkIII should be compared to for its motion functions. Not the RED's, nor the "Blue's"...

:sifone: Peter
 
Peter Majtan said:
What is really sad is that the true power of the 5DmkIII as an amazing still camera is being overshadowed by all this HDSLR hype. Don't take me wrong - I am all for peeps without budget or access to more advanced gear to be able to use these cameras to cut their teeth, or even to create some amazing pieces (after all I would rather watch an amazing story shot on 5DmkIII (not in the RAW mode!) then some piece of c*** shot on Epic any day). Just please do not try to compare it with the likes of RED / Alexa or mention that it poses a "real alternative" to such a cameras. It is an insult to these cameras and more importantly - it is an insult to the 5DmkIII. Canon does not allow the RAW motion capture on it for a reason...

:sifone: Peter
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I don't think anyone is comparing it to the Alexa or Red are they? I think I may have compared the Red One to a banana a few posts back but...

I would remind you of the story of the singing pig. The amazing things about the singing pig was not that it sang especially well, it was the fact that it could sing at all!

I think it's great.

Freya
 
I don't get the people here who seem to feel the need to defend red cameras in relation to a canon 5d!
It's crazy.

Like I say I can make lots of arguments why my Kodak zx1 is way better than the Red Epic:

It fits easily in my handbag,

it comes in a range of colours and you can even swap the fronts for different looks,

it takes just two AA batteries, compare the price to V-Lock batteries! Yikes!

People mostly ignore me when I use it (except for some very strange people who ask me how I mounted an iphone on my tripod, it happens way more often than you would think possible).

It's easy to sneak past security at events.

It's so light it sits happily on my telescopic tripod.

I never worry about it being stolen or damaged (you can get another off e-bay for £30 easily).

It comes with a battery charger as standard.

Media is way cheaper than the Red SSD's.

To be fair to the Red Epic tho, the Red post workflow is probably easier.

Some of you sound really threatened by the Canon 5D Mark III raw mode. You should be celebrating it. Isn't one of the key things that Red owners want to get over to potential clients that Raw is better? Here is an opportunity to get the message out there to people about the power of raw, they can even play with it on their DSLR! How fantastic is that?

I really don't understand those who are sounding grumpy and hostile about it.

Freya
 
Freya said:
Like I say I can make lots of arguments why my Kodak zx1 is way better than the Red Epic:

It fits easily in my handbag,

it comes in a range of colours and you can even swap the fronts for different looks,

it takes just two AA batteries, compare the price to V-Lock batteries! Yikes!

People mostly ignore me when I use it (except for some very strange people who ask me how I mounted an iphone on my tripod, it happens way more often than you would think possible).

It's easy to sneak past security at events.

It's so light it sits happily on my telescopic tripod.

I never worry about it being stolen or damaged (you can get another off e-bay for £30 easily).

It comes with a battery charger as standard.

Media is way cheaper than the Red SSD's.

To be fair to the Red Epic tho, the Red post workflow is probably easier.
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LOL Freya :D

Funny post (E :-)
 
what is the best uses for the 5d3 with the new hack...thanks for the update..I have one of these cameras too..(can it be used a b cam??)
 
dio Zafi said:
what is the best uses for the 5d3 with the new hack...thanks for the update..I have one of these cameras too..(can it be used a b cam??)
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I think it would cut well with Epic footage. Best uses - Low budget narrative work, personal projects where you don't want to stand out with a big camera, vacation videos, b roll on bigger shoots, green screen work for low budget productions, low light shooting etc.

It has real world usefulness.
 
dio Zafi said:
what is the best uses for the 5d3 with the new hack...thanks for the update..I have one of these cameras too..(can it be used a b cam??)
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I think it's going to be huge in music videos where you don't have to worry about sound and the finished video is quite short so the added data from uncompressed raw isn't too much to handle. That seems like the killer app for this hack.

Freya
 
Peter Majtan said:
What size did you watch it at? Even on a 47" I have here it is beyond bad, never mind seeing anything like this on the silver screen... ;o)
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As i already had said, I downloaded included RAW file of carousel and opened it in Resolve. Pushed it around a bit and pulled some keys. Guess what? It still looks awesome on my 60". Even for 1920x720. So, download it and open it in your grading software, play with it, look at the original quality and stop complaining.
 
Nicole B said:
I downloaded this but I could not open. Can't you post on vimeo or wherever else only to compare? Thank you.
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I was answering a complain, that in Vimeo it looks bad. The whole point of my post is NOT to use Vimeo and to look at the original RAW quality.

You need to follow directions at ML site.
1. Download raw2dng app here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0
2. Drop your file on the app and it will create a new folder with DNG files.
3. Open DNG with AE. Do not use Resolve.
4. Use RAW settings to adjust the image before import.
5. Export DPX or Prores 444
6. Open it in Resolve.
 
jake blackstone said:
As i already had said, I downloaded included RAW file of carousel and opened it in Resolve. Pushed it around a bit and pulled some keys. Guess what? It still looks awesome on my 60". Even for 1920x720. So, download it and open it in your grading software, play with it, look at the original quality and stop complaining.
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You must have missed the part where I did not complain about image quality or the ability of the RAW to be graded. The issue here is the massive image distortion in all non-tripod shots - the jello effect. While this might look watchable to some while looking at it on the web - please do not try to tell me that you watched the distortion on a 60" and it looked "awesome"...

:sifone: Peter
 
Luke Neumann said:
I was out filming a project yesterday and decided to grab a quick 5D3/RED Epic comparison shot. Not posting any side by sides or thoughts, just the raw files for download. People can come to their own conclusions, I personally know why I use the Epic. :)

http://neumannfilms.net/2013/05/21/red-epic5d3-raw-tests/
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Great test! I put them on top of each other in Photoshop after matching the colors as good as possible and have to say... apart from the Epic obviously sharper at 5k they are very close. At HD resolutions I think you would have a hard time knowing which one is which.
 
Peter Majtan said:
You must have missed the part where I did not complain about image quality or the ability of the RAW to be graded. The issue here is the massive image distortion in all non-tripod shots - the jello effect. While this might look watchable to some while looking at it on the web - please do not try to tell me that you watched the distortion on a 60" and it looked "awesome"...

:sifone: Peter
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Peter - you know that the amount of distortion is exactly the same as if you record an H.264, right?

For many projects, people are OK with that. See: all of the high-profile stuff already shot on a 5D Mk2 or Mk3.

As a VFX artist, I haaaate rolling shutter but I admit that depending on the content, it is acceptable...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Luke Neumann said:
I was out filming a project yesterday and decided to grab a quick 5D3/RED Epic comparison shot. Not posting any side by sides or thoughts, just the raw files for download. People can come to their own conclusions, I personally know why I use the Epic. :)

http://neumannfilms.net/2013/05/21/red-epic5d3-raw-tests/
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sander kamp said:
Great test! I put them on top of each other in Photoshop after matching the colors as good as possible and have to say... apart from the Epic obviously sharper at 5k they are very close. At HD resolutions I think you would have a hard time knowing which one is which.
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And compared if upsampled to 5K?
 
Bruce Allen said:
Peter - you know that the amount of distortion is exactly the same as if you record an H.264, right?

For many projects, people are OK with that. See: all of the high-profile stuff already shot on a 5D Mk2 or Mk3.

As a VFX artist, I haaaate rolling shutter but I admit that depending on the content, it is acceptable...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Bruce - from what I have seen so far the RAW jello is much worse. We have just completed a TVC for Orange Israel shot primarily on 5DmkIII (without the ML) and my Scarlet. There seems to be some circuity that deal with the jello (to some degree) that the ML is bypassing, as the jello in the RAW seems much worse. Hard to tell as you will need to have two bodies attached together - one with ML and one without - and do the same motion shooting the same scene...

:sifone: Peter
 
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