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Adobe Abandons Creative Suite, Announces Full Switch to Creative Cloud

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the petition has gone from 15,000 to 20,000 over the weekend. seems like the backlash is only gaining momentum. adobe can't post anything on facebook without getting snarky, angry comments.

but it's the future. rape of your customer base is the future. not listening to what your customers WANT is the future. makes perfect sense, guys. really. epic stuff.
 
chris morgan said:
the petition has gone from 15,000 to 20,000 over the weekend. seems like the backlash is only gaining momentum. adobe can't post anything on facebook without getting snarky, angry comments.

but it's the future. rape of your customer base is the future. not listening to what your customers WANT is the future. makes perfect sense, guys. really. epic stuff.
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Yes, that's it. Adobe cooked this up to rape their customers. They don't give a rip about what their customers want; they don't have to. It's a future in which we're all subject to the whim of merciless corporations like Adobe, and the only weapon we have is the petition. Al and Dave, the Adobe guys posting here, they're in on it too; interested in nothing but profit.

I don't mean to be singling you out Chris, as this seems to be a theme on this thread. I've had complaints about Adobe over the years, but I also think they've done some very good things, like incorporating the Red workflow into their apps. And so far, dare I say it here, I happen to like the CC model because it allows me to download apps I wouldn't have otherwise purchased. I'm getting these for the same or less money over time than I've been spending on their software anyway.

That aside, I understand the complaints about having to stay subscribed to use the software, and the petitions could make a difference. All good. What I don't think is very useful is the hyperbole - raping customers, etc - and ascribing vile motives to Adobe. And I don't think it's very helpful to Red users to engage in bashing a company, and by extension, their reps on this list in particular. It should be clear to anyone following Adobe here, that they and their reps have listened and responded to numerous and extensive feature requests from Red users.

If you have been on this list for any time at all, you will know that a fairly dramatic change has taken place in the way that Red, Jim and Jarred in particular, now engage the list. They no longer tell us what they are developing. The cordial and enthusiastic atmosphere of the early days has changed somewhat. I believe, and this is backed up by their statements, that this new way of interacting with Red users is directly a result of the endless complaining and Red bashing that has occurred over time. The balance tipped so far in the direction of customers feeling entitled to whatever they wanted at whatever price, that Jim had finally had enough. Frankly, I miss the old days. I think the kind of Adobe bashing that's going on in this thread could have adverse effects as well.

It's one thing to submit a petition to address something many customers feel is unfair or unwarranted. If enough customers feel that way, a smart company will listen. It's quite another thing, and I believe ultimately counterproductive, to engage in bashing the company with invective on the basis of information we can't possibly know.

Submitted respectfully as a different view - my two bits.

Tim Eaton
 
meh, perhaps the language was a bit strong.

quite upset about this. you know, denial, anger, acceptance, NUKEX. i'll skip the others.
 
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I think the fact customers can now suscribe to Adobe for shorter period is a good thing for people
who would not have suscribe for a perpetual full license.
I still don't get why the cloud is the only solution to date now.
Why a perpetual license can't co-exist with the cloud as a second solution for the customer anymore?
The way Adobe is forcing our customer decision is to me unacceptable,
and with such a radical move from the company I'm not feeling as a customer anymore.
Maybe "the cloud is the futur"like Adobe love to tell us,
the only thing I can hear from Adobe for now is,
"follow us and embrasse our new great business model or fuck yourself".
Sorry Adobe, I don't want to have an internet dependant machine,
I don't want to sucribe every month for a piece of software, I have enough with my phone bill.
I hate not having the choice, I don't like to walk in the dark.
 
I don't know what others require to become infatuated with Adobe again, but for me it would take the simple act of allowing CC software to "freeze" at the point where a customer either voluntarily dropped out of the Cloud subscription or was unable to make like ET and call home at the proper time.

By freeze I mean allow the software to continue working as though it were a perpetual licensed version, but with no option for upgrades. Instead of an upgrade for frozen software, it receives a message from the server saying "you are dead to me."

In my mind Adobe could charge frozen software an "upgrade" penalty of some sort for anyone getting back in the cloud. Or, alternatively, there could be something like a first-year up front payment for a subscription that allowed that option. Those who choose the monthly subscription option would not have their software continue working after a loss of subscription.

These are perhaps some ways Adobe could address the customer's concerns and still save face.
 
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i think allowing the 'freeze' would indeed be a help. the main problem i have with this scenario (beyond the highway robbery, of course... uh oh, look out... hyperbole... albeit barely) is that you pay forever or you get nothing. what equity would i have for the potentially thousands of dollars this would cost me were i subservient enough to adopt it?

the lack of choice here is the most telling aspect of this entire scenario. and it's very telling indeed.
 
I don't think this is about piracy....

This isn't really the cloud.....despite what they call it...
All these apps will exist on your machine 100%.....that's why they can run for 90 days without being connected.

This is a subscription service model, masquerading as the cloud.....
 
Being a huge Adobe fan for many years... I never thought I'd ever see the day they would tell the customer to get F______

Where ever i look, every single blog, every forum, every social network... The world is screaming out STOP ADOBE STOP !!!!!

And what amazes me... is ASOBE hold there middle finger nice and high... and say. Eat it !

Proves one fact. Millions of customers cannot sway corporate thinking... Or can they. Lets see how this rolls out.

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Mark Toia said:
Being a huge Adobe fan for many years... I never thought I'd ever see the day they would tell the customer to get F______

Where ever i look, every single blog, every forum, every social network... The world is screaming out STOP ADOBE STOP !!!!!

And what amazes me... is ASOBE hold there middle finger nice and high... and say. Eat it !

Proves one fact. Millions of customers cannot sway corporate thinking... Or can they. Lets see how this rolls out.
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I switched to Adobe like many the past couple of years. But guess what, they just lost me. I don't understand it but I guarantee you they will lose a load of cash flow when the switch over begins. Too bad because I was just telling all of my friends and colleagues how amazing Adobe is. Then they go and do this.... Goodbye Adobe
 
Awesome Mark...................Thanks!

I just have to believe that at some point soon Adobe will have to change their mind.
 
Tomorrow night at DMALA in Hollywood at the After Effects Meeting Adobe will there to explain why this is such a great biz model.

Fortunately at least for After Effects there is another solution coming soon....

Good bye Adobe, we've been with you since the beginning when you were just fonts and postscript. Get ready to short this bitch, it will be $30 or less soon.
 
Can't see myself signing up for this. Will be staying with Premiere Pro CS6 in the meantime and then checking out alternatives if and when it gets too out-dated.

Have been using Premiere Pro since CS3, and funnily enough, what I've spent on it over the years adds up (within cents) to what it would have cost if it had been a month by month Premiere Pro subscription. Which means I could save about $120 a year on a yearly subscription from now on. But not having access to the software if I don't pay the monthly rent on it, isn't on.

Could go on at length about this, but won't waste any more of my or others time on it.
 
Sadly, these corporate guys will not listen to petitions, facebook whines, or twitter complaints.
What they will listen to is cash.

If there was an organised 'delay' in adopting CC, you would instantly see a reaction. This would have to delayed enough to overlap with their quarterly earnings report.
There's not really much reason to upgrade any way is there....no dragon support yet, not needed yet.....cinema4d lite...most of us are running other 3d software.
Funny, I would have already upgraded....had I needed it or not, bit of an impulse buyer....but I am quite willing to sit on my hands and get the most out of CS6.

They will not listen to customers....but they wont ignore shareholders
 
contrary to my statements a few weeks ago, I'm beginning to be less and less enthusiastic about adobe CC. we're currently on the cs6 cloud and the faster updates and subscription service were things I was lookiing forward to. but some of the latest bug fixes have turned the whole suite into an unstable mess with some applications not even opening anymore. and the support we get from adobe is a joke!
 
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