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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Its official - Black Magic 4k Cinema Camera

Ivan Kovax said:
Mate,

This camera, is gonna be used as an A cam on many feature film sets. Mark my words.

Ivan
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It could be an A cam on indie productions where buying gear at this price point outweighs rental. Other than that I don´t see anyone put up with the ergonomics of this camera.
 
So the 4K version is compressed DNG? Does that mean no RAW editing capabilities?
 
David Kellermann said:
I think they had some manufacturing issues which they solved now. They will probably / hopefully offer a trade-in option, so that you can change your order from a BMCC 2.k to a BMCC 4k.
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Yes, the glass on the sensor was blotchy in some way that the sensor production line (not BMD) didn't detect, or their quality control standard was not that of BMD.

I think now they've got a camera under their belts this new one could show up comparatively quickly (which might still mean 3 months!)
 
maybe i dont get it. the red one mx is 4,5k and with many connectors. the bm cam is an ergonomic nightmare (at least for me it seems like that)...so what is it?

much more interesting is if alexa will come up with an 4K option imho. Alexa eats up a huge amount of the market share at projects with budgets (at least here in germany)...and honestly also i love the epic, i see the value in alexas ergonomics and design. internal ND filters, fan noise, body design. If they come up with a 40k 4k Alexa Plus that would be a problem.

i never saw the F5/C300 etc. as a competition in the high end market. only thing is that needing a rocket for smooth playback in HQ is a burden for producers.
 
Mendes Nabil said:
@ Troy, i agree, it depends on when they'll start to ship these cameras, but my guess is that e don't have to be worried..
Shipping of the ef version took a long time certainly because of the fact that they were working on these two new models.. So, i'm not worried..

@ Kwan Khan, Ahaha! Yes, when you see all these specifications, my question seems to be stupid.. Prices of the red one mx will fall for sure..
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Their trouble with shipping cameras came down to a QC issue with their vendors.

The RED One is a 5 year old camera. For owner/operators who use it to shoot their own projects it has as much value as they are able to make with it. But in terms of selling, I suspect it will indeed fall in price. But even at $6-8K, it's still a great value. A full shooting kit for $8-12K is still a good value. We'll see where it drops to, but certainly the new crop of 4K cameras will adjust the market a bit. Depends on which camera you compare it to of course. F5 vs Red One, BMCC vs Red One. It still holds its own in my opinion. We'll see what the new cams bring.
 
I feel the Black Magic Production 4k Camera will be more for the indy film makers. They are hesitant to buy a R1 because of size, "old looking" UI, lack of proper EF mount, and weight.
 
Daniel Pearson said:
I wonder how much further the prices of a Red One MX can actually fall? I doubt the BMC 4K will do 120FPS. After all of the BT Red One's sold for $4000, heaps are back online as packages for $8-10,000. Much less than $4000 for a Red One and why bother selling it? Sure, on paper compared to a new BMC4K at $3995 it should be cheaper, it is a few years old and second hand, but it is still a $25,000 camera that was used to photograph The Social Network and win Oscars. Just because cheaper alternatives are coming, I don't see many people letting go of their Red One's for much less than $4000. And how many will there be on the market? Red has sold all of the stock they had, a lot of people have said they're sticking with theirs - there is a very finite supply.
I could be wrong, but I think there will still be some things that the Red One does that the new BMC4K doesn't, and I don't see the price falling much lower than it already has.
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I'm talking about the red one mx because i know thant it does better than a bmcc (or a red Scarlet, even an epic for my taste), so, for sure it's a better Camera, my wonder is not "will the prices fall at 4k$ for an entire package? It would be great, but i don't think it will, i just hope a fall at about 6000$ or even 5000$ for a complete pack (Red one mx body, with ssd module, red bricks, monitor, and top handle)
That's all i'm waiting for ..
 
Nick Mercer said:
I feel the Black Magic Production 4k Camera will be more for the indy film makers. They are hesitant to buy a R1 because of size, "old looking" UI, lack of proper EF mount, and weight.
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I dont see whats wrong with the EF mount.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
A full shooting kit for $8-12K is still a good value. We'll see where it drops to, but certainly the new crop of 4K cameras will adjust the market a bit.
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Of course it's still a good value, my hope is to see a full shooting kit (without the lens) at 5000$ or 6000$, it would be really great..

@ Nick, exactly, the red one is getting "old school" and less appealing for several people (not for me), that's why i expect a fall of the price..
Let's see what will happen and what "Red" will announce at this Nab..
 
Mendes Nabil said:
Of course it's still a good value, my hope is to see a full shooting kit (without the lens) at 5000$ or 6000$, it would be really great..

@ Nick, exactly, the red one is getting "old school" and less appealing for several people (not for me), that's why i expect a fall of the price..
Let's see what will happen and what "Red" will announce at this Nab..
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Maybe you will luck out and people will unload theirs at those prices, leaving you with a very capable camera system. I suppose the one big question moving forward with the Red One is support. How long will they be serviceable and parts be available for it? So far I haven't heard anything from Red indicating any plans to stop supporting it so we'll have to see.
 
Brett Harrison said:
I'm a refugee from BMD to Scarlet and I followed the saga very closely up until the battletested scarlet deal popped up. I think Grant got hamstrung by his sensor provider, but now that that one teething problem is evidently ironed out, I can imagine it will be a different story (unless they have a new sensor provider, but this time around I am sure they will be inspecting the assembly line much more closely).
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The old BMCC used a Fairchild sensor. The 4K one looks like the new CMOSIS sensor.

So yes, completely different sensor provider.

CMOSIS did a new sensor for Leica so they hopefully know what they are doing. This CMOSIS sensor is also going into a whole bunch of machine vision cams as well (some with very high frame rates). They do cost more - like $7000 though.

I wonder what the dynamic range, fps and color will be like? Apertus is also talking about making a camera using that sensor and it has good DR specs... but we'll see what it's like in practice!

Bruce Allen
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'Built In SSD recorder' as in internal battery? Seems like an offloading hell?

But the 1K S16 pocket camera is definately something I will look forward to.
 
Brett Harrison said:
That's true, it depends on optical flow technology, but you can mask out confusing picture elements for the program. Anyway District 9 looks fine and they didn't even use these methods.
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I hate quotes like this. You spend 3 days fixing a shot and then someone is like "See, so and so did it so clearly it's easy!" and then I'm thinking "sure easy if you count $5,000 in wasted time to work around the way something was shot wrong." :P
 
Ok, so here is the dreaded question.
Has Blackmagic finally understood that they need to put in an OLPF in their cameras?

Because if they havent, the last thing I want is a 4K camera with Moire and aliasing.
And if they have, then how about putting it into that MFT version that they currently have still not shipped?

In fact, could these announcements be the reason the current MFT has not shipped?
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
I hate quotes like this. You spend 3 days fixing a shot and then someone is like "See, so and so did it so clearly it's easy!" and then I'm thinking "sure easy if you count $5,000 in wasted time to work around the way something was shot wrong." :P
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Heh, well c'est la vie. All I know is you need a VFX Sup that has used the pipeline. Not too much to ask!
 
Clayton Burkhart said:
Ok, so here is the dreaded question.
Has Blackmagic finally understood that they need to put in an OLPF in their cameras?

Because if they havent, the last thing I want is a 4K camera with Moire and aliasing.
And if they have, then how about putting it into that MFT version that they currently have still not shipped?
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Yeah. I'd kill for an OLPF. Mosaic is supposed to be working on one for the current camera. Here's hoping...
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Maybe you will luck out and people will unload theirs at those prices, leaving you with a very capable camera system. I suppose the one big question moving forward with the Red One is support. How long will they be serviceable and parts be available for it? So far I haven't heard anything from Red indicating any plans to stop supporting it so we'll have to see.
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I think users who want the latest new tech will be all over a 4K BMCC pre-order. Me I still can't shake the frustration they put so many through for V 1.0. I just got an email from Abel Cine Tech saying my camera finally came in...7 months late. And I'm one of the lucky ones to even get it. How quickly they forget.

This is a too familiar feeling. This time I'll wait it out shooting with my R1MX, and its lovely ability to overcrank. Maybe next year when they start delivering. Nice specs though.
 
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