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Another terrible Epic vs. Alexa vs. F55 "test"

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Ok this is getting extremely old. This guy obviously has no clue what Redlogfilm is or he is purposely sabotaging the camera. I'm not saying the Epic is superior, but it is the only one not processed in LOG. Please check this out and comment on his video. I have called him out as well as several others and even requested an R3D as proof. He just continues to reply that it is Redlogfilm and that his "test" is correct.

These video's should really piss off camera owners because this is a huge reason your kit is being passed up for other cameras. We need to regulate this and make sure people aren't spreading fud. There have been several other videos recently painting the Epic/Scarlet in a poor light. What should we do about it?

Tell me I'm not crazy?! I'm not even an owner but these "tests" keep popping up, are terribly done, and give RED a bad name.

Another reason for the frustration is that in todays day and age, producers are making more and more decisions about the gear we use. All they need is to see a "test" like this and dictate what camera I can use for the shoot regardless of my experience or my input. So for me "tests" like this are extremely damaging. I don't own a camera and consider myself camera agnostic. Certain cameras work as tools for different jobs so I choose accordingly. But the problem is when the Epic/Scarlet is put up against other cameras and looks inferior, that tool is taken from me by a producer who saw that "test," when in fact it was the perfect tool for that job. This is a huge issue for me and especially Scarlet/Epic owners who make a living using or renting them. There is also a lot of issues with folks on the web taking every test literally since they don't have access to these cameras first hand. They then take this info and spread it as fact on the net like wildfire. It's too bad because there are a lot of great camera choices but some refuse to use them because of others issues or concerns with them. A very sad reality. Most of them won't know the difference between LOG and Linear.

Here is that "test:"
 
You are not crazy.

That is one messed up and misleading test.

What's really sad is that soon we will see DRAGON SENSOR tests
done by people who don't quite get it, and we will have to deal with
the misinterpretations of those foul tests as well.
 
I saw this 'test' a while back on DVXuser - I think it was in a thread about how great the F55 is (according to the 'word on the web') - it was just pretty much taken as the truth, as I presume most people viewing it haven't actually used an Epic (or Alexa). I think the same thread had a post of a building comparing 4K on the Sony to 4K on the Epic?
 
What a tool. Anyone who'd done any type of grading using Log Images can clearly see, that processed R3D was linear gamma encoded. And since when an ungraded Log image became "Normal"? Who can possibly judge the image while looking at the Log representation? Clearly, if he was interested in honest discussion, he would have provided you with the trimmed R3D, but he refused, which is quite telling.
 
You can show me all the tests you want, I still find THE FIRST mysterium M red an amazing camera. YES.

I used to have the Epic, and I made some tests, and I really find the first red AMAZING, fare better anything on the market for the price I paid for it. I found the red one camera a better camera because the cost made it a pure amazing bargain - it still makes 4,5K RAW and 2K RAW, now, out of the box when the F55 still can't do it.

Remember, the first red one has been released in 2007.

RED is an amazing trade, all the red cameras are purely amazing, and still technically unbeatable, even by sony (the F5/F55 still can't record raw without an external recorder).
 
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You can show me all the tests you want, I still find THE FIRST mysterium M red an amazing camera. YES.

I used to have the Epic, and I made some tests, and I really find the first red AMAZING, fare better anything on the market for the price I paid for it. I found the red one camera a better camera because the cost made it a pure amazing bargain - it still makes 4,5K RAW and 2K RAW, now, out of the box when the F55 still can't do it.

Remember, the first red one has been released in 2007.

RED is an amazing trade, all the red cameras are purely amazing, and still technically unbeatable, even by sony (the F5/F55 still can't record raw without an external recorder).

Unfortunately, we all know that, but a ton of people out there don't. Tests like these destroy the cameras reputation and around and around we go. Anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to shoot RED will believe these tests, never use it, and spread FUD to others. It's an unfortunate truth.
 
RED is an amazing trade, all the red cameras are purely amazing, and still technically unbeatable, even by sony (the F5/F55 still can't record raw without an external recorder).

The "external" recorder on F5/F55 really become part of of the camera. No cables, wires, nothing. It's not a "normal" external recorder.
 
The "external" recorder on F5/F55 really become part of of the camera. No cables, wires, nothing. It's not a "normal" external recorder.

I don't think anyone was claiming that. He's referring to it as external because a) it's not built in and b) it's an additional cost to record RAW. Same as the RED Modules would be called external...
 
You are not crazy.

That is one messed up and misleading test.

What's really sad is that soon we will see DRAGON SENSOR tests
done by people who don't quite get it, and we will have to deal with
the misinterpretations of those foul tests as well.

I know, it's going to be terrible!

I'm getting really sick of these horrible, inaccurate, and misleading "tests."
 
I saw this 'test' a while back on DVXuser - I think it was in a thread about how great the F55 is (according to the 'word on the web') - it was just pretty much taken as the truth, as I presume most people viewing it haven't actually used an Epic (or Alexa). I think the same thread had a post of a building comparing 4K on the Sony to 4K on the Epic?

I believe that is a different guy. This guy doesn't have any other Epic/F55/F65/F5 comparison videos. I saw the 4K sony vs 4K Epic video online as well. I swear they are getting worse and worse...
 
WEll I thought at +4 stops the Epic held the Blacks Yea Epic Rocks!!!!!!!!

hahahaha those blacks held really well at every stop. Talk about crushed to death...
 
Groan... Another thread on this.
 
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What's really sad is that soon we will see DRAGON SENSOR tests
done by people who don't quite get it, and we will have to deal with
the misinterpretations of those foul tests as well.

Oh, geez, I can imagine someone messing with color/gamma settings, the contrast and curves of Dragon footage, essentially screwing up all and everything about the image and then final "professional" remark - "it's not even 13 stops, lolololol". I guess the only advice in such case is forget the web stuff and do tests yourself.
 
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