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THE FOR SALE SECTION: Why are we all trying to rip each other off?

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Abusive speculation is simply was has bring us to the point we are now in human history....
 
This thread is ridiculous. Items are priced as to what the market will bear.

Can't afford it? Get over it.
 
Supply and demand. This is not a community, this is RED-USER. A place people come to get their fix...not to listen to crybabies.
 
Brett, I disagree. It is a community. It all depends on the attitude of each individual to decide how they see it, or interact with it. But yes, it is all about supply and demand.
 
Dylan Macleod said:
Although I agree with everything posted here and have always been "fair" in my pricing - isn't it the free market at work? If an item is not available anywhere (i.e. backordered) and you need the item now - if someone charges you double - and you are willing to pay it (because it fulfills your need at the time) then that IS what it is worth. It can't be compared to the price of the backordered item because you are being offered it "now". You are paying to get it "now". So if someone is asking for an unrealistic price - don't pay it. If you really need it and can't get it anywhere else - then that is what the item is worth.
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Exactly.

If something is so severely overpriced then the seller won't sell it.

Seems pretty simple to me.
 
I don't think Oakley sunglasses would agree so much with your community spirit.. The market will decide what its worth no one else. Its not about ripping off its about a free market and paying what its worth to you! No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it! You have a choice just choose if that price is right for you. If its not them move along no need for a song and dance about it.
 
supply and demand! & if the "back order" demands it, the greedy supplier will profit from it. It does go towards character in the end though and I think there is more to life than buying something for a dollar and selling it for two. Like helping a fellow man instead of kicking him when down.

I want a side handle badly as mine is back ordered still! BUT I refuse to pay more than what the seller got it for and saw a few go by but I held my ground.

I'll say be patient, back order is almost over, rent or borrow what you don't have... perhaps in the spirit of the "community" we should start an accessories fair rental initiative, locally.
 
Sorry, but I don't equate having to wait for a side handle to being "down", but that's just me. You can buy and sell to be a pal, or you can do it like a business, but those are two distinctly different activities. It's up to each person to decide when to do which, and I see no reason to get personal about business.

The OP was eager, the seller saw him coming and tried to cash in. The guy just seems pissed off now that he screwed the deal. I feel for him. He isn't naming names, so he still seems like a decent guy... But this is his own fault. It may make you feel better to talk the guy down while you wait for your own side handle, but this isn't really the place. IMO

One word of caution: the "rental initiative" stinks of price fixing, and that's illegal. Be very careful.

Jean Bernard said:
supply and demand! & if the "back order" demands it, the greedy supplier will profit from it. It does go towards character in the end though and I think there is more to life than buying something for a dollar and selling it for two. Like helping a fellow man instead of kicking him when down.

I want a side handle badly as mine is back ordered still! BUT I refuse to pay more than what the seller got it for and saw a few go by but I held my ground.

I'll say be patient, back order is almost over, rent or borrow what you don't have... perhaps in the spirit of the "community" we should start an accessories fair rental initiative, locally.
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Scott Crawley said:
One word of caution: the "rental initiative" stinks of price fixing, and that's illegal. Be very careful.
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Those are rental prices for packages already publicly listed on the internet. Nothing wrong with sharing that at all. Not sure if this* was added as a response to your comment, but I think the list is great.

*This rate sheet is for reference only. Add gear/prices as you see fit, but ensure prices accurately reflect fair Rental House pricing.
 
Doug Beatty said:
Those are rental prices for packages already publicly listed on the internet. Nothing wrong with sharing that at all. Not sure if this* was added as a response to your comment, but I think the list is great.

*This rate sheet is for reference only. Add gear/prices as you see fit, but ensure prices accurately reflect fair Rental House pricing.
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Whatever Doug, I just felt caution was in order. Put as many ****disclaimers as you like on there, but if you were perceived as recruiting people to refer to this list, and someone felt just the slightest bit intimidated they could cry coercion and you could find yourself in a world of serious shit.

Best of luck.
 
Scott Crawley said:
Whatever Doug, I just felt caution was in order. Put as many ****disclaimers as you like on there, but if you were perceived as recruiting people to refer to this list, and someone felt just the slightest bit intimidated they could cry coercion and you could find yourself in a world of serious shit.

Best of luck.
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Your whatever has been noted, Scott. Thanks for the input- will keep it in mind! I didn't write the list, nor recruit anyone to fix their pricing because that's illegal.

Just curious, but what's your stance on the Rent Me app?
 
Jean Bernard said:
It does go towards character in the end though and I think there is more to life than buying something for a dollar and selling it for two. Like helping a fellow man instead of kicking him when down.
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Making you wait for your side handle does not say anything about character.

Believe it or not it's called the film business for a reason. It's a business. People may love what they do and choose from time to time to help other people out, but people also want to make money so that they can pay their bills, feed their families and buy more gear. When they choose to profit and when they choose not to is their choice. What is a fair price? Like any commodity it's what people are willing to pay. Is Apple stock worth $552/share? Yup. Because someone paid it.

Somehow you feel that you are entitled to have these people sell you their property at the price you choose. Sorry dude, it just doesn't work that way. They can choose to keep it, try and sell it for a million bux, or drive over it with their car.

You are not entitled to a side handle - it is not a basic human right. So you can either choose to do without, or choose to pay the going rate. Either way, suck it up and show some character.
 
Doug Beatty said:
Your whatever has been noted, Scott. Thanks for the input- will keep it in mind! I didn't write the list, nor recruit anyone to fix their pricing because that's illegal.

Just curious, but what's your stance on the Rent Me app?
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I downloaded it. I like it. I might use it. I have other business software that does the same thing, just not on my phone. It's a tool that applies a simple, common formula. It looks like good business. Everyone plugs in their own numbers. It doesn't suggest numbers for you. Are you going to suggest that the app and the list are in some way the same?
 
Scott Crawley said:
I downloaded it. I like it. I might use it. I have other business software that does the same thing, just not on my phone. It's a tool that applies a simple, common formula. It looks like good business. Everyone plugs in their own numbers. It doesn't suggest numbers for you. Are you going to suggest that the app and the list are in some way the same?
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I created the Google Doc as a way for local Los Angeles Redusers to be able to rent gear from each other while we awaited shipment of various pieces of backordered gear. I also bought the RENT ME app when is was first released, but was unsatisfied with its pricing algorithm; it simply calculates 5% of what something costs, but isn't quite useful in listing real rental prices. The rental house price list was so we'd have a baseline to which we could reference when renting to each other, and likely give each other a better price. I certainly did not mean do get anyone wound up by it.
 
Colin Sheldon said:
Making you wait for your side handle does not say anything about character.

Believe it or not it's called the film business for a reason. It's a business. People may love what they do and choose from time to time to help other people out, but people also want to make money so that they can pay their bills, feed their families and buy more gear. When they choose to profit and when they choose not to is their choice. What is a fair price? Like any commodity it's what people are willing to pay. Is Apple stock worth $552/share? Yup. Because someone paid it.

Somehow you feel that you are entitled to have these people sell you their property at the price you choose. Sorry dude, it just doesn't work that way. They can choose to keep it, try and sell it for a million bux, or drive over it with their car.

You are not entitled to a side handle - it is not a basic human right. So you can either choose to do without, or choose to pay the going rate. Either way, suck it up and show some character.
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Well, there is no mention of birth right or entitlement in my comment but rather human decency and choice and if one is in the business of profit then cudo, please feed your family and buy more to sale higher that is your choice and I chose to wait and pay the set price when items becomes available, that my friend I am entitled to.

I was merely saying that if someone has a commodity they have no need or use for and a fellow red user is in need of that commodity. The decent thing to do is at least sale it for the value you bought it for, the same market value that the manufacture assigned it to.

It seem that this RED community is built on the notion of sharing & supporting but not when it comes to the market place. People in unfortunate circumstances are forced to sale their epic-x package for half of what it is worth and buyers are paying double for rare commodity! There is no decency in greed.
 
Scott Crawley said:
I downloaded it. I like it. I might use it. I have other business software that does the same thing, just not on my phone. It's a tool that applies a simple, common formula. It looks like good business. Everyone plugs in their own numbers. It doesn't suggest numbers for you. Are you going to suggest that the app and the list are in some way the same?
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Nope, just curious.
 
Jean Bernard said:
Well, there is no mention of birth right or entitlement in my comment but rather human decency and choice and if one is in the business of profit then cudo, please feed your family and buy more to sale higher that is your choice and I chose to wait and pay the set price when items becomes available, that my friend I am entitled to.

I was merely saying that if someone has a commodity they have no need or use for and a fellow red user is in need of that commodity. The decent thing to do is at least sale it for the value you bought it for, the same market value that the manufacture assigned it to.

It seem that this RED community is built on the notion of sharing & supporting but not when it comes to the market place. People in unfortunate circumstances are forced to sale their epic-x package for half of what it is worth and buyers are paying double for rare commodity! There is no decency in greed.
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Absolutely you have the choice to wait - and to be honest that's the choice I would make too, and have for a number of accessories.

Red makes their money off of volume - individual sellers do not. If you make 1c per widget and sell 100,000,000 widgets then you're doing fine. If you only sell 10 widgets, though, then you'd go out of business very quickly. So RED bases their pricing structure so that they make money. Which is fantastic. If Red wasn't making money then there wouldn't be a dragon sensor. In order for businesses to continue to exist they need to be profitable. Otherwise everyone packs up and goes home. Red has chosen not to increase their prices due to demand outstripping supply - that is their choice. But just because they make that choice doesn't mean that is the right choice for everyone - everyone's situation is different.

As I said in an earlier post, when the price increases supply increases (people say hey, I could do without one for a while, maybe I'll sell it to someone who really wants one). If prices stay at Red's price people would say it's not worth the effort and very few would be available for sale.

If Red is making a profit off of the side handles - does that make them greedy? And if they're making a profit, why can't others? It's not like it's uncommon for resellers to mark up their prices, it's just not normally so visible.
 
Chris Jordan said:
Scott, so you thing $1850 is a fair realistic price for a side handle? Even if this person has multiple? Even if they stated they could sell it for $1250 but the hassle of shipping is worth the difference? I TOTALLY agree with you, all is fair in the market place. Again, This thread is ONLY meant to discuss the why and why not of attitude, here in the RED community.
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Is this entire thread really about ONE guy?

I don't see much price gouging going on. People are giving away their RED ONE accessories for a fraction of what they paid. Are they Saints? It's just supply and demand.

Now if we were talking about OIL or SSDs this conversation might be more interesting... lol!
 
Doug Beatty said:
Nope, just curious.
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OK... and don't mind me I wasn't well focused last night. Looking at it now I realize that I was missing the boat, so to speak.

I was really thinking about collusion, and sidetracked myself with the whole coercion thing. What was I drinking last night? lol Seriously though, don't be guilty of collusion. Don't attempt to manipulate the free market.

If you want to talk about something that is actually unfair to consumers, as well as damaging to the markets and industry, let's talk about price fixing. It's ironic to me that someone would suggest price fixing in response to an isolated allegation or two of gouging. Talk about jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire!

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