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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

4k / 2k PRO RES / DNxHD MODULE - who wants one.

PIX 240 module interface bracket

PIX 240 module interface bracket

PIX 240 with module interface bracket. Imagine something kind of like an AB gold mount plate.

In my perfect world this interface bracket would carry power and SDI signal from camera to PIX, TC/genlock bi-directional, plus 2 channels of audio from the PIX back to the brain (via wires to the mini plugs if there is no other way) so the hero audio would be written into the R3Ds for redundancy. Obviously a full raster frame over SDI (with LB for 2:1 and 'scope) would be desired, something I assume will come shortly in a FW rev anyway. More metadata the better, but at least enough to make conforming easy.

I know its dangerous to give people too good of a 1080 file right out of camera, but with the plethora of piggyback recording devices on the market these days I don't think that genie can be put back in the bottle anyway. By partnering with Sound Devices, odds are very good that both audio quality and build quality will be top notch. Seems like a great pairing with the Epic/Scarlet rigs to me...

Oh, and for over cranked stuff, just have an option to record during playback with edge code.

Cheers - #19
 
Hey Blair,
I agree with you. The Pix240 is here now. How much slow motion work are we really talking about? Seems like for many people this is a great solution. That Firmware issue of cropping the frame is really holding us up.
Cheers,
Sam
 
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Ricardo Moreno said:
To record in pro res as final output, it defeats the purpose of owning a red camera. There are other cameras that can do that for half the price.
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I think many of us want this was instant editable footage as an offline with matching timecode. The you only need to go back to the raw files for the shots you are using. Many people still transcode to prores before editing anyway. This would save a lot of time. PIX240 is nice, but in a module, it would be nicer.
 
Sam Edwards said:
Hey Blair,
I agree with you. The Pix240 is here now. How much slow motion work are we really talking about? Seems like for many people this is a great solution. That Firmware issue of cropping the frame is really holding us up.
Cheers,
Sam
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Does it still crop when shooting 4kHD?
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
PIX 240 with module interface bracket. Imagine something kind of like an AB gold mount plate.

In my perfect world this interface bracket would carry power and SDI signal from camera to PIX, TC/genlock bi-directional, plus 2 channels of audio from the PIX back to the brain (via wires to the mini plugs if there is no other way) so the hero audio would be written into the R3Ds for redundancy. Obviously a full raster frame over SDI (with LB for 2:1 and 'scope) would be desired, something I assume will come shortly in a FW rev anyway. More metadata the better, but at least enough to make conforming easy.

I know its dangerous to give people too good of a 1080 file right out of camera, but with the plethora of piggyback recording devices on the market these days I don't think that genie can be put back in the bottle anyway. By partnering with Sound Devices, odds are very good that both audio quality and build quality will be top notch. Seems like a great pairing with the Epic/Scarlet rigs to me...

Oh, and for over cranked stuff, just have an option to record during playback with edge code.

Cheers - #19
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Pix 240 is a nice thing.. but it needs batteries, brackets etc etc .... the EPIC's simple easy form is well and truly lost.
Plus there the Pix 240 does not make 4k PRO RES... or make full Debayer 4444 PRO RES. Not much difference to a cheap little Ninja recorder.
What I'm asking for is small, form fitting, self powered and direct simple.

But at the moment, there is not a single thing wrong with the Pix or the ki-pro... both are good units.
But I'm divorcing myself from adding extra stuff to my cameras.. im trying to keep them as are.... I'd love it if PRO RES printed directly onto the SSD car with the R3D's and screw the module... I'd pay even more for that option.
 
I'd buy one, but it's not going to take care of off-speed shots.
Who can say they have the time to play back all takes of overcranked shots on set, to injest all those takes into the PIX240, or Red's module, if it ever happens...
I can only imagine we'd still be relying on a DIT and a Rocket setup to transcode those slo-mo files.
So the workflow options would match an Alexa only on some days of the week.
 
Julio Quintana said:
I just had my $4500 Red Rocket die on me, and my clients are transcoding 300fps footage for days at a time. So yeah, I would definitely pay for this module.
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Also love the idea of this but interesting that you'd pay for such a module considering your $4500 Red Rocket card just died. Doesn't that worry you... certainly concerns me that any such module could also go the same way?
 
Just common sense... if Jarred Land announced officially the PIX 240 in Reduser some time ago... that means RED is not going to make such a module.
Guido
 
Mark Toia said:
Im just curiours why (if) the RED MODULE is made, why through direct connectivity it could not make slo-mo file on the fly? Far less processing compared to a RAW File. ?

What would I know, the thing doesn't even exist yet.
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I would tend to agree with you here Mark, I would expect a certain degree of slowmo capability if this module is made. Perhaps not quite full frame rates due to the amount of data involved, but certainly possible. However, if, for instance, this module was an ultra compact one limited to 2K output, if it was using the clean feed generated by the monitoring path hardware scaling, it might not be able to handle the slow motion footage in real time. But that would only come into play if they did it that way.

Still, who knows if this will ever happen, if the proxy module as previously announced will ever be produced, or how they would implement it.
 
Ricardo Moreno said:
Prores is a very thick compression leaving little room for grading.
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Having graded a bunch of stuff in ProRes 4444 from Alexa, I don't share the same analysis.
 
Hrvoje Simic said:
Having graded a bunch of stuff in ProRes 4444 from Alexa, I don't share the same analysis.
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Yep... Nothing wrong with 4444 Pro res for grading, better than 422 8bit... ? Less than RAW, but thats to be expected.. but no way as bad as H264 grading where you have nothing!
 
ProRez and DNxHD in 1080p, that would sound reasonable to be as the bandwidth is then similar to R3D.
Record on 2.5'' SSD, not CF.

The PIX240 does it similar.

Optional ability to NFS via wifi, so that editing stations can grab the proxies directly from the camera module.
I think there is a router inside the epic somewhere anyways.

3500 USD?

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Julio Quintana said:
I just had my $4500 Red Rocket die on me, and my clients are transcoding 300fps footage for days at a time. So yeah, I would definitely pay for this module.
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Damn, Julio, not yours too? Did ever redrocket card in austin just die?
 
I would literally put a gun to my head if my RED ROCKET died mid way through a job...
It's the only thing I HATE!!!!! about RED is this whole transcode thing. Cheaper RED ROCKETs, then fine...

It's such a pity that we are all dependant on the thing if we want fast work flows! Such a bastard !!!

Black magic make amazing cards cheap, why is this thing got us all to ransom!

Or please make this 4k PRORES module! take my money! and make it easier for us all... pleeeeeeeeease.
 
I just got done posting on a similar thread..... A ProRes mod would save my life!! Sorry to be so dramatic but it is not far from the truth!!!
 
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