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Steve Jobs quote, this is really inspiring!

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:hurray:I know this is not RED but I'm sure no one will object.......
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Ironically Apple's financial popularity is build upon people diametrically opposite to this description.
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
Ironically Apple's financial popularity is build upon people diametrically opposite to this description.
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I'm not sure what you're saying... I think you're saying Mac users don't think outside of the box they just make Apple rich when they buy their products?
If so does this mean windows users are the creative, crazy misfits?
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
Ironically Apple's financial popularity is build upon people diametrically opposite to this description.
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Me thinks something was lost in translation on that thought. Doubt if the demographic any product that is sold by the 100 million could be generalized. That being said - a fair amount of Apple users view themselves as non-conformist since they represent 5% of the PC market
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
Ironically Apple's financial popularity is build upon people diametrically opposite to this description.
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You don't "change the world" the way Steve Jobs did by influencing 2 or 3 people. He was the master of understanding what people wanted even before they did, and had the charisma, personal power and perseverance to create it for them. He didn't use focus groups or marketing surveys, he had vision and insight to go along with his business acumen. You are dead wrong if you think Apple was successful because they were just like any other big company. They were more successful than pretty much any other company in history by operating exactly under this philosophy. Steve Jobs never stepped into line to be like everyone else; instead, he was persuasive enough to get millions and millions of people to see the world the way he did. Steve Jobs "walked this talk" more than most of us coiuld ever hope to.
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
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While I have gone from mostly Windows since Windows 3.11 in the past, they lost me with Vista and switched to 100% Apple as of 5 years ago. I would have to say that I agree with your assertion. This sounds more like a battle-cry for an open source movement like Linux. Apple's hardware ecosystem is very closed by comparison. This is an old transcript of an Apple ad. Like many companies, their mantras and strategic visions transmogrify over the years.

Nice tidbit all the same. Thanks for sharing.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
You don't "change the world" the way Steve Jobs did by influencing 2 or 3 people. He was the master of understanding what people wanted even before they did, and had the charisma, personal power and perseverance to create it for them. He didn't use focus groups or marketing surveys, he had vision and insight to go along with his business acumen. You are dead wrong if you think Apple was successful because they were just like any other big company. They were more successful than pretty much any other company in history by operating exactly under this philosophy. Steve Jobs never stepped into line to be like everyone else; instead, he was persuasive enough to get millions and millions of people to see the world the way he did. Steve Jobs "walked this talk" more than most of us coiuld ever hope to.
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+1 ... people will "hate" on any corporation that gets big enough, just as I'm sure many someday will say bad things about Red once they are no longer the industry underdog.

I recently saw an All Things Digital interview with Jobs in 2010 where he was talking about how Apple was still run very much like a huge startup -- very light on the middle-management BS/politics, with team leaders reporting directly to Jobs, and sometimes even telling him he was wrong or disagreeing. His job was to listen, guide them, share ideas, solve problems, etc.

Just because Apple has become ridiculously efficient and profitable, doesn't mean they think any less differently than they did before. Things just snowballed in the right direction and we are seeing the fruits of that now.

Red too is becoming far more efficient ... it's a GOOD thing, and doesn't change the philosophy.

Also, let's not even get into the whole "open/closed" thing ... Apple's success speaks for itself. Even those who point to Android adoption being higher .... hmmm ... is that because it's open, or because they give free phones away (or for $99, etc) on almost every carrier? And what about app quality? Developer income? Consistent user experience across phones/carriers? Profitability? None match iOS.

Sorry for the rant, but like many things I firmly believe Jobs was spot on with keeping iOS tightly integrated (the word he liked to use) and again, the results speak for themselves.
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Even those who point to Android adoption being higher .... hmmm ... is that because it's open, or because they give free phones away (or for $99, etc) on almost every carrier? And what about app quality? Developer income? Consistent user experience across phones/carriers? Profitability? None match iOS.
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Expect iPhone to grab even more market share now that they are 1. Giving away 3GS with a contract and 2. Adding another major carrier.
 
Josh Beadle said:
Me thinks something was lost in translation on that thought. Doubt if the demographic any product that is sold by the 100 million could be generalized. That being said - a fair amount of Apple users view themselves as non-conformist since they represent 5% of the PC market
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The quote comes Apple's Think Different ad campaign, which was launched in 1997 shortly after Steve Jobs returned to Apple. (It is not a quote from Jobs.) This was before the iPad, the iPhone, Intel-based Macs, the iPod, Mac OS X and the iMac. Apple was struggling financially and it's product line was in disarray. In many ways the campaign redefined Apple, or defined Apple again, as a company apart, and many believe it helped turn the company around. As recently as two years ago the signature TV ad from that campaign -- thank you for the link, Olaf -- was still being used to inspire new Apple Store employees when they started training. They may still use it today.
 
the guy was totally smoke and mirrors
 
Josh Beadle said:
the guy was totally smoke and mirrors
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Seriously? Possibly the dumbest words ever uttered on this forum, with the worst possible timing.

Given that even Jim -- a brilliant revolutionary in his own right -- stated that he didn't feel he should be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve, your statement is so ridiculous here on Reduser, it's ban-worthy.
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Seriously? Possibly the dumbest words ever uttered on this forum, with the worst possible timing.

Given that even Jim -- a brilliant revolutionary in his own right -- stated that he didn't feel he should be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve, your statement is so ridiculous here on Reduser, it's ban-worthy.
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I have to agree with you....that post was very dumb...
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Seriously? Possibly the dumbest words ever uttered on this forum, with the worst possible timing.

Given that even Jim -- a brilliant revolutionary in his own right -- stated that he didn't feel he should be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve, your statement is so ridiculous here on Reduser, it's ban-worthy.
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Really? Ban worthy? Settle down friend - just trying to bring some levity to the situation. I don't share the passing of Steve as a grave moment of sadness. I subscribe to the Irish version of morning. Steve burned twice as bright - half as long and lived a life we would all envy. Steve never took himself as seriously as you are now. I've been a Mac supporter since the SE days. Clearly his reinvention of major mature industries (animation, music distribution, phone, retail, support, product integration, image editing/sharing, cloud computing etc) speak for themselves. Any one who is idiot enough to suggest his decades of sustained innovation is "smoke and mirrors" is a fool or just not taking death all that seriously. There is no reason to get the pitchforks and torches or ban them because they don't share you flavor of morning or humor. Geeez
 
Steve Jobs hmm... I heard he was a Jekyll and Hyde kinda guy.

That's cool, I like them both.

Everyone has an opinion, but the fact that we do, shows how much he affected us. Much like Red you can say. Most either love em or hate em.

I for one Love the fact that no matter what, what He and Red did is so palpable that it Changed things forever.

Wonderful!
 
Levity? Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, right? Here's mine, Josh: you're an insensitive buffoon.
 
Eston Diaz said:
Steve Jobs hmm... I heard he was a Jekyll and Hyde kinda guy.
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No question, Jobs could be very difficult, arrogant, and aggressive, but I'm not sure if Apple could have been successful any other way. Jobs used to say, "I'm judged, not so much by the products I release, but for the hundreds of other ideas we don't release." The two brilliant things about Jobs were that first, the guy had great taste, and secondly, he surrounded himself by great designers and programmers. He was absolutely obsessed with the smallest detail of the products and software they made, and it shows in the ease of use and effectiveness of much of what Apple has done over the last ten years.

I always say: if one of us had just created the Macintosh, or made Pixar possible, or created the iPod and iTunes... if we'd done any one of those things, we'd be considered one of the greatest, most successful businessmen and technologists who ever lived. The fact that Steve Jobs did all three -- and much more -- is astonishing.

I'm looking forward to reading the new biography coming out in a few weeks. Jobs was a very complex, difficult, brilliant man, and I've found him to be a fascinating guy to observe over the past 25 years. I can't argue that he wasn't perfect, and I think his skills as a human being were sometimes questionable, but the results of what he accomplished during his career are undeniable and profound.
 
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