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John Cordell

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Got my Epic-M about eight hours ago.

First Impressions
Wow! I'm in love with it. The size is really incredible -- such a different vibe than the Red One. The Titanium mount is fantastic, like butter, and the best Red mount I've used ever. Menu system was super-easy to jump into. Touch interface is nicely done, and the iPhone has created a vocabulary of gestures that transfers easily. For example, to change ISO, I touched the ISO value display and a horizontal bar with the other values appears. My first inclination was to slide the bar right in order to bring the new ISO value into the target area. Sure enough it worked exactly as I'd expected it to. Plus of course, if the value you're changing to is visible on screen, you can just tap it and gets selected.

The settings and menu hierarchy are a little more rationally arranged than they are on the Red One. Overall it doesn't feel any more complicated than the Red One, although there is a fair amount of stuff there that will apply to DSMC still mode and electronic lenses.

The screen layout is a big improvement over the Red One. One of the first things I teach people is to look at all of the settings that could mess up your footage: frame rate, ISO, shutter speed, resolution. All the things that aren't metadata and, if wrong, could result in bad footage. (Note that I include ISO in this list because if set wrong it could lead to accidentally underexposed footage.) All these settings are now along the top of the screen. Changing any of them is a matter of touching them and choosing a new value. Touching the histogram pops up a list of variants like focus, video, raw, etc.

There are some little wrinkles in the UI that will no doubt be ironed out, plus I probably don't quite know all of the rules. But for a device with a lot of settings I was able to use it quite easily without a manual. I will confess to a bit of struggling to find the power button, but after that it was smooth sailing.

What Was In The Case
I got the same sweet little Pelican case filled with all the Epic-M components: Brain with side handle, EVF w/cable and arm, LCD with cable, 4 128GB SSD modules. There is space in there for the charger and new style batteries, but those aren't available quite yet. But they were part of the Epic-M package, they'll just be delivered some time in the future. Outside of the Pelican I got an AC power adaptor, plus an adaptor cable that takes Red One-style power and adapts to Epic-style power lemo. Outside of Red, at Element Technica, I got a little adaptor plate screws onto the base of the Epic and presents Red One spaced threaded holes for a baseplate. I didn't get a top plate yet, as ET didn't have any more in stock.

I haven't really played with the side handle and all of its buttons yet, so that will be something fun for tomorrow.

Footage
I don't have anything to share yet. But I have shot some 5K 96FPS and some HRDx stuff as well. Like an MXed Red, the footage is super clean even in the dark areas.

I did one quick experiment with HDRx. I arranged a shot that had a lamp on a table next to a wall. The lamp caused a section of the wall to be completely blown out. I shot it with 3 stops of HDRx protection and then looked at it in Redcine-X. By the way, I couldn't figure out how to invoke HDRx viewing, but the footage in the viewer very nicely alternated the X and A frames. I was able to confirm that the wall, in the A frames, was completely blown out and the texture of the wall wasn't recoverable at all. But the X frames had all the subtle texture of that blown out wall section perfectly captured. I can't wait to try this on the real world situations that we care about.

Misc.
Oh, also, this was my first time using the SSDs. Very nice feel to them. Substantial but not big by any means. I put one of the 1.8" readers onto my Mac using FW800 and everything just worked. Will try an eSata connection tomorrow and see how that goes and compare xfer speeds.

I tried the HD-SDI out, sent through an AJA HD-SDI to DVI-D box. Worked like a charm. Really made me realize, though, how much nicer the new LCD is, very nice image on it. The LCD, in addition to having nice contrast and colors, can tilt and swivel -- a very welcome addition.

Ok, that's about all I can think of for now. I am absolutely thrilled with it. Although I'm sure there are many a firmware update in my future, I will say this thing is quite a bit more solid than my Red One #14 was the first day I took it home.

As I encounter things that strike me as new information or of particular interest, I'll share here on the forum. I won't promise to share a great deal of footage, but if I get something that I think would be additive to what little is out there I will certainly post it.

Epilogue
On the first morning after I got my Red One, I rolled some footage of my son (then 7 years old) in my living room. I still have those original R3Ds (and Redcine still supports them!) Tomorrow morning I'm going to compose the same shot, but this time the kid will be 12 years old, the resolution will be 5k, and the frame rate will be 96 frames per second.
 
John... thanks for the post. For HDRx, in RCX drag the clip into the bin. Right click it and Set HDRx pairing to (0,1) (2,3). Then drag that clip into the viewer. On the right you will see an HDRx box. Check it and play with the slider. This is the most remedial blending option. Graeme's newest miracle will go into RCX soon. But this will get you started.

Keep us all posted.

Jim
 
It's sweet to hear that the EPIC is shipped in a Pelican case.
 
welcome to the club! thank for digging deeper into the details.

dino
 
Excellent John...and no doubt a deja vu experience to that Red Day in August 2007 when we got our first Red One cameras :-)

Enjoy...
 
Hi John,

Thanks for posting this and congrats on the new Epic. I checked out your website ... cool stuff. Actually, I'd love to know about you and what you shoot since I haven't seen as many posts from you here as many of the other guys.

It's not a knock against you, I'm sure you're busy and not everyone is into forums, would really just love to hear a little bit more about your story ... and possibly also your dreams for how you will put the Epic to work.

Thanks again :)

Anthony
 
John,
thanks for the info.
Can you lock out changing the options - framerate, iso, etc on the touchscreen so that they are not changed by mistake? Or is that not really a concern?
Shane

Not sure if locking out the touch screen is an option or not. Looked around for it but didn't find it. You can lock the Redmote. Found that out the hard way when I accidentally locked it and then spent a minute or two trying to figure out why the buttons stopped working. Turns out there's a large yellow lock icon when the Redmote is locked but I didn't notice it at first. Would be nice if it blinked or wiggled whenever a button is pressed while in lock mode. But it's also fine the way it is. If you don't know about the lock feature, maybe you shouldn't be touching the remote!

I will say that it doesn't feel like settings being accidentally changed on the touch screen will be a big issue. For one thing, it's a capacitive touch screen, so accidental bumps with things other than fingers won't invoke any commands. And the bezel is quite wide, so when re-positioning tilt or swivel it's easy (and natural) to avoid touching the screen.
 
Not sure if locking out the touch screen is an option or not. Looked around for it but didn't find it. You can lock the Redmote. Found that out the hard way when I accidentally locked it and then spent a minute or two trying to figure out why the buttons stopped working. Turns out there's a large yellow lock icon when the Redmote is locked but I didn't notice it at first. Would be nice if it blinked or wiggled whenever a button is pressed while in lock mode. But it's also fine the way it is. If you don't know about the lock feature, maybe you shouldn't be touching the remote!

Hold down the flip icon on the upper right for a few secs to lock/unlock.
 
Hi John,

Thanks for posting this and congrats on the new Epic. I checked out your website ... cool stuff. Actually, I'd love to know about you and what you shoot since I haven't seen as many posts from you here as many of the other guys.

It's not a knock against you, I'm sure you're busy and not everyone is into forums, would really just love to hear a little bit more about your story ... and possibly also your dreams for how you will put the Epic to work.

Thanks again :)

Anthony

Thanks. I'm an ex-computer guy turned filmmaker. Right now I'm writing and directing short comedy narrative stuff and working my way up to making my first feature.

No offense taken on the fact that I don't post much. I'll try and be responsive over the next couple of days and answer what I can about the Epic. And post some more footage if I get anything that I like. After that I'll return to my lurking ways.
 
John was gracious enough to wait for me before powering up his EPIC. The first thing I noticed, besides John's grin:) was how great the image looked through the touch screen LCD, the second was although many features were not enabled- there still seemed to be an endless possibility of menu options. It took about 20 sec for John to start going through the settings with proficiency.

Thanks again John, and RED team.
 
Some other observations...

Some other observations...

Ok, here's a follow up to my first impressions. Second impressions, I guess.

- LCD on Redmote is really quite lovely.

- Pinch/zoom gesture on touch LCD does what you'd expect: toggle magnify mode. Nice.

- Boot up time. Forgot to mention this. 10 seconds. So much nicer than the Red One. And that's at home fooling around. On set it'll be fantastic.

- HDRx. I've only just started playing with it. It's going to be a huge feature. Right now the cool tools for blending the exposures aren't available outside of Red, but they will be soon. So for now I'm confining myself to peeping at the two exposures to see what's in there. Once you can really selectively control the blend like one would a secondary in color correction, it's going to be amazing.

- I can already see what Jim is talking about in terms of using only the amount of HDRx protection you need. The short exposure is going to be, by definition, underexposed most everywhere except the highlights. So there's no reason to over-do the protection, and if you do, you'll have your x frame underexposed and then have to be extra careful to not let the underexposed parts make their way into the blended image.

- Haven't shot handheld yet, will report thoughts on that once I get to it.

- Will report more as I find more.

- Back-focus was spot on out of the box.

- Touch LCD smudges aren't visible when the LCD is on. So I'm not at all worried about smudges getting in the way of viewing the image.
 
Yes indeed, welcome to the club as Dino said.... Looking forward to all your impressions. We are quite crazy schedule wise on Spiderman to discuss in detail so hoping you will share your thoughts with us all

Peter
 
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