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[AnthonyFlores]

I am with Anthony and Ketch on the S lens mount, I have not pulled the trigger yet as I dont know if RED will make this mount or not.

Shooting Leica S + EPIC combo would be dreamy, not to mention more economic then the Summilux Cs!

I believe they have about 3 or 4 lenses in that set but they are MF glass so not sure how the focal lengths translate.

Cheers

Thanks for the support C.H.!! Let's rally the troops and be heard by Red, lol (I know they are already always listening)

Right now, there are four lenses -- 35mm (f2.5) ... 70mm (f2.5) ... 120mm (f2.5) ... and 180mm (f3.5).

As you know, the conversion is always relative to FF FOV ... so when using them on the S2 body (0.8 crop relative to FF) they are effectively, 28mm ... 56mm ... 96mm ... 144mm ...

However, on the Epic the crop is still approximately 1.3x to know the FF equivalent ... so that means 45.5mm ... 91mm ... 156mm ... 234mm ...

In terms of future lenses, I think their next biggest priority is a 24mm for landscape photographers ... and then hopefully a 50mm as well. But I'm not sure if we'll see the 50mm before the end of the year, since they are still filling demand and also wanting to release CS shutter versions of those lenses as well.

Anyway, all this means that by sometime this summer, using them on the Epic, you should be able to have FF equivalents of 31mm, 45mm, 91mm, 156mm, and 234mm ...

I can honestly totally get by with just the first 4 focal lengths -- which would probably be around $22,000-24,000. Yes I would like a 50 in there and maybe the superfast 100mm that's rumored, but with those four I could do a LOT. (btw, Ketch showed me some shots of the 120mm macro ... amazing!

I think it's also already confirmed that Red will make the mount -- Ketch personally confirmed with Jarred ... just a matter of when. Unfortunately, Leica S is such a tiny market compared to Canon/Nikon that it's understandably hard for Red to focus on this lens line until the others are done.

One of the main benefits I can maybe see on Red's side is that the quality of these lenses will probably better showcase the Epic than many of the Zeiss, Canon, Nikon glass out there ... so could be good for people's impression of the camera.

Also, I think that if people see great things from those like Ketch, you and others with them -- they might attract more customers who realize they can get Cooke, Arri/Zeiss, Leica C type IQ ... with the S lenses -- along with AF, smaller form factor and FF/MF coverage -- for a lower price.

Anyway, that's my 0.5

 

[Matt Uhry]

Thanks for the support C.H.!! Let's rally the troops and be heard by Red, lol (I know they are already always listening)

Right now, there are four lenses -- 35mm (f2.5) ... 70mm (f2.5) ... 120mm (f2.5) ... and 180mm (f3.5).

As you know, the conversion is always relative to FF FOV ... so when using them on the S2 body (0.8 crop relative to FF) they are effectively, 28mm ... 56mm ... 96mm ... 144mm ...

However, on the Epic the crop is still approximately 1.3x to know the FF equivalent ... so that means 45.5mm ... 91mm ... 156mm ... 234mm ...

In terms of future lenses, I think their next biggest priority is a 24mm for landscape photographers ... and then hopefully a 50mm as well. But I'm not sure if we'll see the 50mm before the end of the year, since they are still filling demand and also wanting to release CS shutter versions of those lenses as well.

Anyway, all this means that by sometime this summer, using them on the Epic, you should be able to have FF equivalents of 31mm, 45mm, 91mm, 156mm, and 234mm ...

I can honestly totally get by with just the first 4 focal lengths -- which would probably be around $22,000-24,000. Yes I would like a 50 in there and maybe the superfast 100mm that's rumored, but with those four I could do a LOT. (btw, Ketch showed me some shots of the 120mm macro ... amazing!

I think it's also already confirmed that Red will make the mount -- Ketch personally confirmed with Jarred ... just a matter of when. Unfortunately, Leica S is such a tiny market compared to Canon/Nikon that it's understandably hard for Red to focus on this lens line until the others are done.

One of the main benefits I can maybe see on Red's side is that the quality of these lenses will probably better showcase the Epic than many of the Zeiss, Canon, Nikon glass out there ... so could be good for people's impression of the camera.

Also, I think that if people see great things from those like Ketch, you and others with them -- they might attract more customers who realize they can get Cooke, Arri/Zeiss, Leica C type IQ ... with the S lenses -- along with AF, smaller form factor and FF/MF coverage -- for a lower price.

Anyway, that's my 0.5

Hi Anthony, Focal length conversions lead to confusing places... Might be better to talk in terms of angle of view ?

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

 

[AnthonyFlores]

Hi Anthony, Focal length conversions lead to confusing places... Might be better to talk in terms of angle of view ?

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

True Matt ... and you would know better than I. Anything I said above that's incorrect?

Btw, looking forward to meeting you in Vegas. Still have your #, I think, and even though
I would love to fly with you guys ... I think I will be driving on my own (who knows, I
even might help Ketch transport some Tiramisu ingredients, if he needs it lol). But if you
can't fill the plane and want a ride, you are welcome to ride in my car if you want

 

[Christopher Barrett]

I've commented on this before... a 35mm lens, whether it's a Master Prime, Summilux C or Summarit-S would yield the same composition on the sensor. Regardless of which sensor a lens is designed for focal lengths remain consistent across formats.

To clarify, if you have a shot set up with a 35mm Master Prime on your camera and you swap it out with a 35mm Leica S (Summarit) your composition would not change.

Crop factors only exist to help you compare one sensor to another, not one lens to another.

For example... I have a 4x5 camera. I have an old 90mm lens designed to cover 4x5 (fairly wide). I also have a new 90mm designed for medium format digital. Same focal lengths designed for different formats, yet they yield the same composition on my digital back because 90mm is 90mm no matter what you are shooting.

Now... the currently widest Summarit-S is the 35mm, right? That's not real wide on an MX sensor. If you never shoot wider than 35, then cool, but if you use a 25 or 18 then it's not a great set of lenses to get into. Right now the widest medium format SLR lenses are the Mamiya and Hasselblad 28mm's. I doubt Leica will ever get much wider than that.

Food for thought.

CB

 

[Tom.Wong]

what would change would be luminance, and slight changes in your depth of field. field of view, from a company worth anything shouldn't change, maybe down to the the slightest micron because machining isn't the perfect science, nothing really is.

but every lens takes in light differently, and the rating on their t stop can always be a hair off depending on how the comes in. Lot of fine differences from lens to lens, brand to brand. That's why everybody has their personal tastes and choices on what lenses they use.

 

[AnthonyFlores]

I've commented on this before... a 35mm lens, whether it's a Master Prime, Summilux C or Summarit-S would yield the same composition on the sensor. Regardless of which sensor a lens is designed for focal lengths remain consistent across formats.

To clarify, if you have a shot set up with a 35mm Master Prime on your camera and you swap it out with a 35mm Leica S (Summarit) your composition would not change.

Crop factors only exist to help you compare one sensor to another, not one lens to another.

For example... I have a 4x5 camera. I have an old 90mm lens designed to cover 4x5 (fairly wide). I also have a new 90mm designed for medium format digital. Same focal lengths designed for different formats, yet they yield the same composition on my digital back because 90mm is 90mm no matter what you are shooting.

Now... the currently widest Summarit-S is the 35mm, right? That's not real wide on an MX sensor. If you never shoot wider than 35, then cool, but if you use a 25 or 18 then it's not a great set of lenses to get into. Right now the widest medium format SLR lenses are the Mamiya and Hasselblad 28mm's. I doubt Leica will ever get much wider than that.

Food for thought.

CB

Hi Chris, yes I actually remember your past comment ... I was trying to basically translate FOV according to the two different sensors (S2, which is 56% larger than FF35 ... and Epic, which is about 77% of the size of FF35). I guess I made it even more confusing.

I agree with you on wides, 35 isn't that wide on the Epic. However, on the GetDPI forum they give Leica and the dealers a LOT of feedback -- and it seems the consensus is that they desperately need a 24 to make the system workable for landscape and tech people. I think Leica has heard that, and it IS the next focal length they plan on releasing, though nobody knows exactly when.

Given that the 120mm macro is almost impossible to find, they have some catching up to do and they are sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow

But from what I've heard from dealers, there should be some available this year -- and perhaps even by Epic time this summer.

On the plus side, the 24mm and 35mm would cover FF35 image circle ... I need to check back on Duclos tests about coverage, but it seems most big name Cine lenses (except CP2's) don't have full coverage at these wider focal lengths.

Also my feeling is that everyone planning on getting an Epic is also dying for the FF version, whenever it's released, and as you know then those 24mm and 35mm function like wide angle lenses.

 

[Christopher Barrett]

Cool, hope I didn't come off too preachy. 24 would be sweet. The only MF lenses that wide currently are for view cameras, but if anybody can pull of the formula it would be Leica.

The problem with having a beer with dinner is that you really need another beer for desert.

CB

 

[AnthonyFlores]

Cool, hope I didn't come off too preachy. 24 would be sweet. The only MF lenses that wide currently are for view cameras, but if anybody can pull of the formula it would be Leica.

The problem with having a beer with dinner is that you really need another beer for desert.

CB

Yah no problem, likewise I don't want to offend you until I get your excellent review of the Panchros on the MX

In terms of the Leicas, I did read that they will have a 24mm/3.5 and a 30mm/2.8 ... a little disappointed the 24mm is not the same speed as the others, which I thought it would be.

But that leads to a bigger question -- how often do you really shoot wide angles wide open for narrative work? I guess maybe street shots at night, things like that. But I know wide angles are often used more in the mid-aperture range, with less subject isolation. So maybe a 24mm at 3.5 isn't the end of the world ...

Anthony

P.S. -- Chris I know you said your primary work was architectural photography ... are you using the R1 + Panchros to add video for those same types of clients?

 

[Christopher Barrett]

P.S. -- Chris I know you said your primary work was architectural photography ... are you using the R1 + Panchros to add video for those same types of clients?

Exactly. A year ago I shot stills of a client's office and I got to thinking... hey, if I wanna do some motion work in my field that would be a great place to experiment. That lead to this, which I shot with the 5d2. It was my disappointment with the moire and dynamic range in that footage which eventually lead me to Ketch and #354 I've shot 4 more film projects since then, same genre and am totally hooked on all things Red now. Recently I've hooked up with a friend who is an Indie writer/director and we're shooting a short together this May. I'm totally psyched!

And man, I used to think photo gear was expensive!

 

[Jarred Land]

I am with Anthony and Ketch on the S lens mount, I have not pulled the trigger yet as I dont know if RED will make this mount or not.

Shooting Leica S + EPIC combo would be dreamy, not to mention more economic then the Summilux Cs!

I believe they have about 3 or 4 lenses in that set but they are MF glass so not sure how the focal lengths translate.

Cheers

does anyone know for sure what the flange distance for the S-2 is?

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Ketch?

 

[Ketch Rossi]

He he not that technical

I know we were talking the other day with one of the Photographers for a Victoria 's shot and He said that the S2 has
a very short Flange to Sensor distance, after I told him of the intention of soon hopefully been able to also use the S2
Glass on our Epic-x via and S2 RED adapter.

 

[AnthonyFlores]

does anyone know for sure what the flange distance for the S-2 is?

Hi Jarred, I will check with a dealer and get back to you on that pronto

 

[Christopher Barrett]

The quest has ended... or has it just begun?

Thank You Fed Ex! And Les and Eggy....

 

[David Rasberry]

Congratulations:drool5::drool5:

 

[Yaque Silva-Doyle]

Damn sexy glass.

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

long road, congrats!
now shit on that van you want to buy and buy an epic instead!
used cars can drive the same roads

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Congrats Christopher

 

[wade muller]

Nice !!!

 

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Congrats!

Aren't they just the best built little lenses ever?