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Request: Please make SSD the default module

Shawn Nelson

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From what I've gathered:
-Red drives and Red Ram are EOL and no more are to be made
-Red 16gb CF is the last Red CF to be made
-SSD is the only media fast enough to be used on Epic's HDR and high speed data modes.

In light of these developments, it seems that it makes no sense to ship the EpicX brain with CF being the default module. That used to make sense, back when there was going to be a 64gb card (which was killed off without explanation).

Unless I'm missing something here, it seems SSD for Epic is the ONLY choice, with CF only good for Red1 and Scarlet.
 
fifthioplihopola that!
 
Even with 64GB CF, it is questionable whether they could support even 5:1.
 
Thanks with this useful post with pertinent information Shawn. It probably saved me going through reams of noise.

I wonder what the extra cost will be. Too bad teh CF card is obsolete for future RED products.

Oh well.

David
 
Well I think we need to know the new price of the Epic if this is going to be the default module on it.

I'm sure we were not all expecting them to just put it on there and keep the price the same... Right?

Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I'm sure we were not all expecting them to just put it on there and keep the price the same... Right?

Jay
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I don't know. Did anyone know about this when the stage 2 deposit happened?

I am sure they will offer it as an "extra" at an "upgrade" price.

RED does what is fair. They are holding our money and I know they respect their customers.

Most of us will pay whatever they ask.

David
 
Jay, it should probably be the same or similar price to manufacture as the CF side module. Without knowing specifics, I'd hazard a guess that the root interface internally is probably still SATA as with the Red One. The added base cost of the physical module over that of the Red One is due to the buttons, LEMO monitor connector and wiring etc as Jarred mentioned a while ago.

So making it the default would actually not mean any necessary increase in price over the CF option, unless the Red SSD receptacle somehow uses much more expensive hardware than the CF receptacle.

As I posted in a previous poll thread, I too would like to see the SSD side module be the default shipping module with Epic Stage 2 and the CF module offered as an option. It just makes sense!

Cheers from Tokyo,

Paul
 
Will there still be a 16 pin RedRaid connector available so I can use my hard drives externally if I wish? Hope I have that option.
 
Paul Leeming said:
Jay, it should probably be the same or similar price to manufacture as the CF side module. Without knowing specifics, I'd hazard a guess that the root interface internally is probably still SATA as with the Red One. The added base cost of the physical module over that of the Red One is due to the buttons, LEMO monitor connector and wiring etc as Jarred mentioned a while ago.

So making it the default would actually not mean any necessary increase in price over the CF option, unless the Red SSD receptacle somehow uses much more expensive hardware than the CF receptacle.

As I posted in a previous poll thread, I too would like to see the SSD side module be the default shipping module with Epic Stage 2 and the CF module offered as an option. It just makes sense!

Cheers from Tokyo,

Paul
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I agree that it shouldn't be that much more expensive to build. Also it pretty much guarantees that we'll be purchasing some SSD media. Maybe
Red could figure out the sweet spot for the media sizes - i.e. which size gives them and us the most bang for the buck - and offer a combo upgrade price that includes some media and would make it a little more palatable to those that are on the fence, as far as staying with CF initially for cost reasons.
 
I agree - sounds like CF will not be very operationally useful on the Epic so why bother ? If the greater volume and simplified product line of SSD only saves Red a few ducats perhaps they could pass some of that savings on to us ? Win - Win.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Red hatever you do: Please please please don´t delay Epic to implement SSD drive, I´d rather get it 2 months earlier with the CF drive, and then change. We need to get Epic into the real world!
 
Eirik Tyrihjel said:
Red hatever you do: Please please please don´t delay Epic to implement SSD drive, I´d rather get it 2 months earlier with the CF drive, and then change. We need to get Epic into the real world!
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No delays needed for SSD. That's what RED has been shooting on for the past couple months!

As I see it, the only reason to not buy the SSD option with Epic would be if your budget was too restricted to allow for it. Anyone buying Epic is going to want the ability to record on SSDs -- otherwise they can't really use the camera, IMO.

I believe it has already been said that the SSD side module can be purchased in place of the CF side module -- but it does seem it's more expensive.

There was a media module planned that would allow for connecting RED Drives or RED RAM units to the camera. However, I don't know how truly viable that module will be. I guess it remains to be seen what record modes and data rates the current Drives/RAMs can support on Epic.
 
I'm all up for this as well, BUT....

Don't think is going to happen..

You are requesting something that is an additional $2,500, or possibly $2,000 with out the CF Module included, this is way too much to ask of RED, and don't think Jim would consider a Change of Price, as this will be could be taken by many as an increase of price point for the System.

Secondly, I'm sure there will be plenty which still will choose to go the CF Route instead, for more then on reason.

Personally I wil be upgrading all my cameras, both Epic and any Red One I might keep, as it simply makes no sense to me to stay with CF cars, even so I have other Still Cameras that will continue to make use of them.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
No delays needed for SSD.
I believe it has already been said that the SSD side module can be purchased in place of the CF side module -- but it does seem it's more expensive.
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Feel like sticking your neck out and explaining why the SSD module would or would not be significantly more expensive than the same CF module (say $50 or $100 at manufacturing cost)? I don't know enough about the electronics to be certain, but it seems like you are pretty well up on that stuff.

I see esata external docks for $30 dollars - all inclusive. Also see CF to 1.8" SSD enclosure adapters for $40 or so, so having a hard time seeing where the big cost difference would be. And it seems like if this is the case the cost difference to go to SSD side module instead of CF module would be fairly small in the quantities it would be as the default and could easily be made up in the price of the proprietary media.

PS question to RED, would the CF to 1.8" adapters allow CF media to be used in the SSD module?
 
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