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scarlett competitors in near future

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I am assuming Scarlet will come out end of 2011 for people who have not been nominated for oscars....so...

Does anyone know of any competitor cameras that will be coming out around NAB 2011? I am not talking about some improved canon 7d or any other compressed HD BS...

Sony sure dropped the ball with their redundant ex3. There's got to be something out there that we can compare to since Scarlett is now....FRANKLY MY DEAR I DONT GIVE A DAMN release date...

By the time scarlett rolls out I would not be surprsied if my iphone can shoot RAW,,,,
 
Depends on what you mean by "competitors". If you mean something that can shoot raw, then no, don't count on it. If you mean a large-sensor video camera, the only one on the radar is the Panasonic AF100, due this December. Sony has talked about having a large-sensor $19,000 camcorder out in April, but that's more likely a Red One competitor than a Scarlet competitor.

I don't expect Canon to have anything in the way of a professional video camera with a large sensor for at least another year or two, but they do have their global expo coming up next month, and the IBC show is next month, so within the next three weeks you should have a better idea as to where most of the companies are going.

The closest thing to a Scarlet competitor, in terms of operational features and capabilities, would probably be the SI-2K. But it's 5x the price.
 
Barry Green said:
The closest thing to a Scarlet competitor, in terms of operational features and capabilities, would probably be the SI-2K. But it's 5x the price.
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And the SI-2K has been shipping for awhile now. If you're wanting to know about planned cameras that are not yet shipping, the Ikonoscop A-Cam dll certainly qualifies as a Scarlett competitor: http://www.ikonoskop.com/

Similar sensor size, RAW recording, tiny. Unlike the Scarlet, they'll be taking orders at IBC two weeks from now and have published the RAW files from test shoots they've done: http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/footage
 
Erich Ocean said:
And the SI-2K has been shipping for awhile now. If you're wanting to know about planned cameras that are not yet shipping, the Ikonoscop A-Cam dll certainly qualifies as a Scarlett competitor: http://www.ikonoskop.com/

Similar sensor size, RAW recording, tiny. Unlike the Scarlet, they'll be taking orders at IBC two weeks from now and have published the RAW files from test shoots they've done: http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/footage
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I guess looking at other cameras such as the one quoted, it just goes to show how much RED is pushing the limit with what they are doing with the Scarlet.

Ikonoscop A-Cam dll: 1-30 fps 1920x1080

for about $8,850 Includes the camera, 1 Ikonoskop 80GB Memory Cartridge.

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Fixed Scarlet: 1-120 fps (150fps burst mode) 3072x1728

for $4750 Includes the Brain, Lens, Side CF Module, REDmote, 2.8" Touchscreen LCD WITH NEW TOUCH TO FOCUS TECHNOLOGY, REDvolt Battery and Travel Charger


Kinda crazy to be refreshed on what else is going on with the market and what Scarlet is aiming for...
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Ikonoscop A-Cam dll: 1-30 fps 1920x1080

for about $8,850 Includes the camera, 1 Ikonoskop 80GB Memory Cartridge.
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And a viewfinder... Also, it's a CCD sensor, so no rolling shutter. And 30 fps at 1080p seems to be a pretty tough limit to pass for CCD sensors, though there's a couple of cameras that do it. The RAW format is also open, unlike RedCode. I don't think it's unreasonably-priced, given the cost of the SI-2K and the fact that the Scarlet isn't even for sale yet.

But you're right, the Scarlet specs are awesome; that's why everyone here wants one!!!

Joseph Hutson said:
[Scarlet 2/3" fixed] for $4750 Includes the Brain, Lens, Side CF Module, REDmote, 2.8" Touchscreen LCD WITH NEW TOUCH TO FOCUS TECHNOLOGY, REDvolt Battery and Travel Charger
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Source? I thought it was $4750 for just the brain w/lens.
 
Erich Ocean said:
And a viewfinder... Also, it's a CCD sensor, so no rolling shutter. And 30 fps at 1080p seems to be a pretty tough limit to pass for CCD sensors, though there's a couple of cameras that do it. The RAW format is also open, unlike RedCode. I don't think it's unreasonably-priced, given the cost of the SI-2K and the fact that the Scarlet isn't even for sale yet.

But you're right, the Scarlet specs are awesome; that's why everyone here wants one!!!

Source? I thought it was $4750 for just the brain.
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Check out RED.com, click on Scarlet.

http://red.cachefly.net/N30/Nov30th.jpg

Brain is $2750.

By the way, the Ikonoscop DII was released in 2008, and they even took preorders. It's been constantly delayed, worse than the Scarlet. From what we have seen, the Drama project seems to capture far better images than the Ikonoscop from the same sensor.

At Scarlet's price and features, it simply has no foreseeable competition, as of now, in the digital cinema world. But a lot could change by the time it ships.
 
Erich Ocean said:
The RAW format is also open, unlike RedCode. I don't think it's unreasonably-priced, given the cost of the SI-2K and the fact that the Scarlet isn't even for sale yet.
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Of course I'm not attacking you, but I'd prefer to have software provided by RED to use a compressed form of RAW data streams rather than dealing with 240MB/sec that the A-Cam dll will...
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Of course I'm not attacking you
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No worries, I'm firmly in the RED camp. When you've already got an Epic X, adding the 2/3" interchangeable lens Scarlet brain for $2750 + the module adaptor for $300 is a complete no-brainer. Configured with the H.264 module (which you've probably already got for your Epic), that's an easy way to do run-and-gun ENG/EFP/Documentary work with your normal RED accessories (and still have the RAWs for backup/grading should you need to).

That was just one of many reasons why I've bought into RED's vision. Other than the missing ProRes module, I couldn't be happier with where RED is going with their system, especially the upcoming Monstro sensor options in a few years. I'm willing to put up with a lot from RED to be a part of helping them succeed, because it's really in our industry's best interest that they do. This is free market capitalism at it's best, and I've already voted with my wallet (and will keep voting). :-)
 
RED is still searching for the makers of Epic and Scarlet.

They said several times that Epic comes first and then after that they will ship Scarlet.

What does it mean?

Different parts of Epic and Scarlet will be made worldwide.

Epic could be assembled in USA probably under pretty high RED production control.

They said Epic is a professional tool and requires all kind of best professional production environment and control.

That's one reason why Epic base configuration is more expensive than a RED One.

What about Scarlet in that way?

Scarlet's price is pretty much lower that Epic's.

Also you'll get less features than Epic.

But still get more value than with any other similar product like a HDDSLR or even that Scarlet S35 with HDRx™ added feature can easily beat Alexa!

That means Scarlet must be made in China or Taiwan to reach its lower price point.

As we know that today global stock-market is in turmoil and it would slow the global economy as we all can feel right now in one way or another.

Many producers, makers and factories in that region (China, Taiwan, etc,...) are in troubles and restructuring their production at the moment.

That would for sure reflect pretty much on Scarlet release and shipping date.

In my estimatimation is that Scarlet will ship during summer 2011.

And of course I don't work for RED and all what I said here could be totally wrong.
 
More Alexa bashing Sanjin... have you even used one?

I assume you must have used one and have managed to use prototype epics and scarlets to be so sure they will out perform Alexa. Lucky guy.
 
Jim Retar said:
More Alexa bashing Sanjin... have you even used one?

I assume you must have used one and have managed to use prototype epics and scarlets to be so sure they will out perform Alexa. Lucky guy.
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Bashing means something totally different just because I always talk facts here.

Also Alexa is to heavy camera to be compared with a little dog called Scarlet S35...

David Mullen ASC said:
Alexa obviously delivers more quality than an 8-bit 4:2:0 HD DSLR and the more times Sanjin keeps saying that it doesn't, the less his opinion on anything is going to matter.
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We don't need one more kind of "ping-pong duel" Alexa vs. X here,

but is to say that 10 x times less priced and also full featured Scarlet S35 (HDRx included) could make Alexa less attractive to potential future buyers.
 
If David didn't have Yoda-like prowess, I would be in fear of another Attack of the Fan Boy episode.
 
Scott Crawley said:
If David didn't have Yoda-like prowess, I would be in fear of another Attack of the Fan Boy episode.
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He he he heh,

but there is also another distinction between a Fun Boy and Fact Boy episode :laugh:
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
He he he heh,

but there is also another distinction between a Fun Boy and Fact Boy episode :laugh:
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And one man's facts are another man's fodder. Until the epic goes into production and the final firmware update goes live, the "facts" as they relate to Epic are ephemeral. It will probably be a moving target until the end of it's life cycle.
 
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