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Øystein Iversen

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If you use the scarlet to shoot television and reality shows.
What sort of zoom lens would you use? A b4 mount solution?
A pl solution with a zoom control?

I have to have a setup that allows fast and easy operating.

Curious about what you guys are going to put together.

Maby red will make a lens that you can control
from the sidehandle, redmote or i/o?

Does canon have some lenses that fits the scarlet sensor?
 
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Have you considered the Fixed lens Scarlet? It has an integrated zoom lens controllable from the camera and wirelessly by the REDMOTE.
 
Yep, the fixed lens is very promising and should cover most areas. BTW, you can even focus via touchscreen.
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
Yep, the fixed lens is very promising and should cover most areas. BTW, you can even focus via touchscreen.
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Yikers. I thought I had heard that and have a hard time grasping that concept. More than likely I'll get a Bomb EVF to shoot with and rely on the sidehandle/redmote. I'm sure it's amazing when done right. Does anyone have experience shooting with the RED Pro 5.0 screens outside? How bad is the glare? I know the EVF's are super backordered and am trying to decide if I should put an order in for one since most of my shooting begins in November/December and is primarily based in Sunny Winter conditions!
 
Jeffrey Loewe said:
Yikers. I thought I had heard that and have a hard time grasping that concept. More than likely I'll get a Bomb EVF to shoot with and rely on the sidehandle/redmote. I'm sure it's amazing when done right. Does anyone have experience shooting with the RED Pro 5.0 screens outside? How bad is the glare? I know the EVF's are super backordered and am trying to decide if I should put an order in for one since most of my shooting begins in November/December and is primarily based in Sunny Winter conditions!
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Good point, i'm also a bit concerned about the glare-display for outside shooting. Yes i have to admit, touch-focus doesn't sound very professional when you hear it first, but i liked it on some consumer-cameras. If it works right, it can save time, and hey, there is a touch-screen and a electronic lens in scarlet, why not offer another way to adjust focus? :) I think its nice to have and i'm sure RED's implementation is done the best possible way.

BTW, before the question comes up, here are the (last known) specs for the fixed lens: 28-244mm ff35 equivalent, T2.6, f/2.4. ;)
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
Good point, i'm also a bit concerned about the glare-display for outside shooting. Yes i have to admit, touch-focus doesn't sound very professional when you hear it first, but i liked it on some consumer-cameras. If it works right, it can save time, and hey, there is a touch-screen and a electronic lens in scarlet, why not offer another way to adjust focus? :) I think its nice to have and i'm sure RED's implementation is done the best possible way.

BTW, before the question comes up, here are the (last known) specs for the fixed lens: 28-244mm ff35 equivalent, T2.6, f/2.4. ;)
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Woah 244?

I thought it was 228. I'll take 244 though! The end of the lens is threaded right? For protection/tele converters?
 
Tim Nitsch said:
I thought I saw that it was 77mm. Don't quote me on that though.
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Cool, that sounds right. I thought I remembered it but didn't remember from when, or if it had changed. Anyone have recommendations on wide/tele conversions? I'm out of the loop as I've been shooting the unmentionables for the past two years.
 
Last I saw it was 28-224mm (actually 7.2-57.6 mm). T/f stops are accurate as far as I can tell.

Pulling focus via touchscreen - it's new, it's different, and all the cool kids are doing it. Seriously...I think this will be something we'll all have to come to grips with for ourselves.

And if 5" just seems too small...

Last we heard the 9" touchscreen will be shipping October.

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77mm is right for the threads...and there was a recommendation a while back about some of the best converters...I think maybe Tiffen? I'll have to look back.
 
Michael Olsen said:
Last I saw it was 28-224mm (actually 7.2-57.6 mm). T/f stops are accurate as far as I can tell.

Pulling focus via touchscreen - it's new, it's different, and all the cool kids are doing it. Seriously...I think this will be something we'll all have to come to grips with for ourselves.

And if 5" just seems too small...

Last we heard the 9" touchscreen will be shipping October.

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77mm is right for the threads...and there was a recommendation a while back about some of the best converters...I think maybe Tiffen? I'll have to look back.
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Wow 9 inches? I usually have a backpack when I go bouncing around in the snow...now I'll need a whole entire trailer haha, kidding of course but I may have more to carry now still.
 
Yeah, 228mm must be right, i've copy/pasted from the wrong post, sorry. ;)

9"-LCD and EVF at the same time would be my dream setup...
 
Jeffrey Loewe said:
Cool, that sounds right. I thought I remembered it but didn't remember from when, or if it had changed. Anyone have recommendations on wide/tele conversions? I'm out of the loop as I've been shooting the unmentionables for the past two years.
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http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?60308-10-Scarlet-Questions-with-Joseph-Hutson...-Take-2.

A lot of your questions are answered here. It confirms that 77mm is the thread diameter. Jarred also gave the heads up on Zunow wide converters. You can find them at B&H. Canon also makes a wide converter for 77mm. I'd agree with others; if your looking for full lens control. I'd just go with the fixed and a REDmote. If you buy the interchangable, plus a 3rd party zoom, PLUS a means to remote focus it, you're WAY above the cost of a fixed. (or, you'd presumably be, since we don't know the actual price yet)
 
I have considered the fixed version. But i want to have the opportunity to use
some other lenses to. I want to have a nice zoom option for the reality part, and some nice pl mount glass
for portraits. The fixed will probably do a perfect job, but if i can put together a package that works in the field with the interchangable i will go for that. Anyone going to use this in tv production ?
 
Øystein Iversen said:
and some nice pl mount glass for portraits.
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I'm not against primes or interchangeable lens cameras (in fact, I find the interchangeable scarlet more personally alluring) but I think you might want to wait a bit to see what is coming before making the decision to definitely shoot things PL mount - especially on a little 2/3" camera. By all accounts, the lens that comes on the camera is supposed to be optically superb and you may find yourself going through a lot of trouble to obtain an end result which is bulkier, heavier, more expensive, and virtually visually identical.
 
Øystein Iversen said:
I have considered the fixed version. But i want to have the opportunity to use
some other lenses to. I want to have a nice zoom option for the reality part, and some nice pl mount glass
for portraits. The fixed will probably do a perfect job, but if i can put together a package that works in the field with the interchangable i will go for that. Anyone going to use this in tv production ?
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Considering some of the things you mentioned, you might want to wait and pick up an Epic-S and some Canon lenses to go with it. I think that give you the most stable platform for shooting both video, but you'll also get higher-resolution stills than with a Scarlet. The REDmote, in conjunction with the electronic Canon mount will allow you to pull focus, without the need for 3rd party follow focus. A really nice Canon lens package is not that expensive, and downright cheap compared to PL mount glass. I'd do a little price comparison. You might be pleasantly surprised that an Epic-S kit with Canon lenses will come out around the price of a Scarlet interchangeable with a set of primes and a zoom. (disclaimer... I'm going of of past prices hinted at for the Scarlet and Epic-S to make this statement)
 
I have considered the epic, but i think it is a bit more difficult to use in some situations when
you have to pull focus. And what about the canon zooms, do some of them have a zoom motor?
Or do you have to put together some 3rd party solutions together?

The fixed scarlet seems more and more like a nice camera to start with, and maby have a nice epic in the backhand later for portraits ;) that would be nice!
 
I believe the canon lenses mentioned for epic are primarily stills lenses...so no motorized zoom. Additionally, many of the zooms have some issues for use in film or tv production. Some of the lenses telescope in and out as you zoom. Most are not parfocal, but are varifocal, meaning you have to refocus if you adjust the zoom, most do not have a very smooth zoom feel, either, meaning the zoom can stutter rather severely.

I said, these are variable issues and may not affect every lens. And if you aren't zooming during the shot, or at least not zooming during parts of the shot that will be used, it may not matter. Plenty of people find the "variable prime" approach alluring. But if you are zooming and are used to the ease, flexibility, and smoothness of some ENG camera lenses with zoom motors and rockers, the vast majority of stock canon zooms will probably come off as shockingly bad in terms of mechanics for moving image production. For stills...they are great!
 
enrique blein said:
I've been doing some research on the subject, here are some links:

http://www.abelcine.com/store/Lens-Motors/

http://www.abelcine.com/store/Preston-DM-2-Digital-Motor/

http://www.abelcine.com/store/Lens-Controls/

Overall, too expensive for me.
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Agreed. Thanks for sharing! I'm out of budget on alot of things right now. I love the idea of the Epic S, but I think thats a bit out of my range right now. I think the Scarlet Fixed fits the bill all around for me right now. I love lens interchangeability. I think this is where the Body of the interchangeable Scarlet intrigues me. If I already own the Sidehandle, EVF/Monitor, RedVolts and media from the Scarlet Fixed, I think I could scrounge up change for some C-mount lenses and Red Mini primes. I don't particularly have the budget to afford much more then what Canon lenses cost.
 
I am also in a dilemma between Scarlet and Epic (which I could just barely pay for... and barely be able to edit)/ The thing about the Canon glass is the very great crop factor on 2/3 sensor...
 
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